RobertHively
2 years ago

@ #99

Your replying to Hively, right?

rfenst wrote:




You can take it. Lol I yield the floor.

I been done with this thread.

Post #48 is all I had to say.
rfenst
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2 years ago

You can take it. Lol I yield the floor.

I been done with this thread.

Post #48 is all I had to say.

RobertHively wrote:


If I Too much were to take it, I'd have to deny and explain many of his accusations about MY opinions and beliefs.
I yield.
RobertHively
2 years ago
^

"If I Too much were to take it"?

Idk. SEE post #48. You asked for intent, I gave you the quote. Idk what else there is to say. 🐴

Jeebs, heard that cuz. We all have our own thoughts and opinions.
RobertHively
2 years ago
Fenster wrote in post #38: "As to all this "genocide" b.s., the legal concept of "intent" needs to be proven. Got any proof of "intent" to commit genocide?"

Hively wrote in post #48:
"Intent? Here's an excerpt from the article Ray posted:

"Netanyahu has also recently invoked Biblical language to “justify” his mass killing of Palestinians. In a public oration he quoted Samuel 15:3 saying, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible.” And, quoting “Our Holy Bible”: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”"
Abrignac
2 years ago

Fenster wrote in post #38: "As to all this "genocide" b.s., the legal concept of "intent" needs to be proven. Got any proof of "intent" to commit genocide?"

Hively wrote in post #48:
"Intent? Here's an excerpt from the article Ray posted:

"Netanyahu has also recently invoked Biblical language to “justify” his mass killing of Palestinians. In a public oration he quoted Samuel 15:3 saying, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible.” And, quoting “Our Holy Bible”: “Now go and attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.”"

RobertHively wrote:



Therin lies the problem. As I’ve said earlier people throughout history have relied on religious dogma to justify killing even after having been told not to kil.
Speyside2
2 years ago
A strange statement for Netanyahu to make. He is Jewish so he does not invoke biblical language, he would invoke Torah language. Also, Samuel 15:3 never mentions bible which would be an absurdity given that Samuel was Jewish. To the best of my recollection in 1546 the council of Trent issued the definitive answer on what books the bible should be made up of. The earlies books of the New Testament were written about 100 CE. The bible as we know it was not compiled until the 3rd and 4th centuries CE. So, the term bible would not have existed until this timeframe.

Perhaps you could find another source to establish intent as your first one seems inaccurate.
RobertHively
2 years ago
^
No I don't need to research this any further.

But you can confirm it if you want with a quick search of the internet or Youtube.
jeebling
2 years ago

@ #99

Your replying to Hively, right?

rfenst wrote:


Yes
Speyside2
2 years ago
I would rather go right to the source; Bible is not a word ever used in the Bible. That also is a fact, you might want to check this by reading the Bible. Jing James, NIV, NLT, take your pick. The internet, and YouTube are not the Bible. Perhaps you have noticed this, perhaps you have not. A rather weak response on your part in my opinion. I suppose it was the best one possible given that you are unable to substantiate what you are claiming, as it does not exist.
Abrignac
2 years ago

I would rather go right to the source; Bible is not a word ever used in the Bible. That also is a fact, you might want to check this by reading the Bible. Jing James, NIV, NLT, take your pick. The internet, and YouTube are not the Bible. Perhaps you have noticed this, perhaps you have not. A rather weak response on your part in my opinion. I suppose it was the best one possible given that you are unable to substantiate what you are claiming, as it does not exist.

Speyside2 wrote:



I’m pretty sure one can find the verbatim text of every version you mentioned on the internet. As far as YouTube is concerned I’m sure one can find videos of a narrator reading each of those versions as well.
jeebling
2 years ago
I am a sucker for the James Earl Jones reading but I also like some English dude whose name I can’t remember. He does a mean KJV though.
jeebling
2 years ago

^

"If I Too much were to take it"?

Idk. SEE post #48. You asked for intent, I gave you the quote. Idk what else there is to say. 🐴

Jeebs, heard that cuz. We all have our own thoughts and opinions.

RobertHively wrote:



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RobertHively
2 years ago

I’m pretty sure one can find the verbatim text of every version you mentioned on the internet. As far as YouTube is concerned I’m sure one can find videos of a narrator reading each of those versions as well.

Abrignac wrote:



He's just trolling. I think he's on that Killa Bread again.
jeebling
2 years ago
RobertHively
2 years ago

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jeebling wrote:



What do you think about that quote, Jeebs?

Think Netanyahu intends to wipe out the Palestinians?



RobertHively
2 years ago

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jeebling wrote:




Imo what he did was make a veiled genocidal threat toward the Palestinians last October(not just Hamas), using the Old Testament of the bible as a historical reference, and precedence.

South Africa (and others?) took Israel to the Hague (International Court of Justice) over this.

Based on Netanyahu's statements, statements from his cabinet, the IDF, the ICJ court arguments, and conditions on the ground, I think the Israeli govt, at least at one point, intended (intent) to wipe the Palestinians out. Genocide.

I'd guess they walk that back a little now considering they got taken to the Hague and the world is paying more attention than they were last fall. I hope that's the case, but maybe not. Time will tell.
jeebling
2 years ago

Imo what he did was make a veiled genocidal threat toward the Palestinians last October(not just Hamas), using the Old Testament of the bible as a historical reference, and precedence.

South Africa (and others?) took Israel to the Hague (International Court of Justice) over this.

Based on Netanyahu's statements, statements from his cabinet, the IDF, the ICJ court arguments, and conditions on the ground, I think the Israeli govt, at least at one point, intended (intent) to wipe the Palestinians out. Genocide.

I'd guess they walk that back a little now considering they got taken to the Hague and the world is paying more attention than they were last fall. I hope that's the case, but maybe not. Time will tell.

RobertHively wrote:



Robert, what I think and what I can argue are different things. I don’t think Netanyahu intends to wipe out all Palestinians but I do think he was quoting Samuel to stiffen the resolve of the Israelis. He knew of course that to completely wipe out Hamas (Amalek) many innocents would be killed by IDF. I think he was rallying the nation. I can’t give you honest arguments. I can only tell you what I think and what I believe. I can see why people would think otherwise and I don’t have any way or any desire to change anyone’s mind on the subject. If I thought I truly had an answer then I would have an argument for it. But for now, I can only go with what I think and believe. I hope that makes some sense.
RobertHively
2 years ago

Robert, what I think and what I can argue are different things. I don’t think Netanyahu intends to wipe out all Palestinians but I do think he was quoting Samuel to stiffen the resolve of the Israelis. He knew of course that to completely wipe out Hamas (Amalek) many innocents would be killed by IDF. I think he was rallying the nation. I can’t give you honest arguments. I can only tell you what I think and what I believe. I can see why people would think otherwise and I don’t have any way or any desire to change anyone’s mind on the subject. If I thought I truly had an answer then I would have an argument for it. But for now, I can only go with what I think and believe. I hope that makes some sense.

jeebling wrote:



I mentioned something like that on page two, post #48. I said maybe it's just political rhetoric but it sounds pretty "genocidey" to me. I know you learn toward rhetoric and I lean toward intent on genocide. Only time will tell.

I base what I think on hundreds of years of military history. This wouldn't be the first genocide rodeo, nor the last.


jeebling
2 years ago
I agree that it does sound pretty “genocidey” and that society has recent and ancient examples of genocide. If it turns out that I’m wrong then I’ll feel like a dupe but that will be the least of problems. I don’t think Netanyahu would make a speech with thinly veiled threats (intent) of genocide. That would be a stupid thing for him to do politically and diplomatically. But then the question of , will then why did he say such a thing in a prepared speech?, is left to be guessed at. And, as I mentioned, I do understand why people think that genocide is underway. Maybe I’m right. Maybe I’m gullible.
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