Abrignac
2 years ago
The current national debt is $34.58T.

The current interest rate on the national debt is 3.23%.

The current interest payment on the national debt is $1.12T.

Total Defense spending for FY 2024 is $841B.

The current Defense budget is $279B less than the current annual debt interest payment.

At the current interest rate it would take 42 years to amortize that debt with an annual payment of $1.5T.

Yet Biden's current budget proposal includes approximately $5.8T in new deficits.

Based on Biden's budget proposal, the CBO projects the total national debt to reach about $50T by 2034.

WTF do we keep electing the same shitty politicians that are hell bent on bankrupting our nation by giving handouts to every swinging dick from illegals to lazy fucks to corporate America?
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Well you wouldn’t let me have term limits.
JGRAZ
2 years ago


WTF do we keep electing the same shitty politicians that are hell bent on bankrupting our nation by giving handouts to every swinging dick from illegals to lazy fucks to corporate America?

Abrignac wrote:



Because those of us that have enough sense to ask this question are not numerous enough to make the changes necessary. The ones getting and expecting the handouts that ultimately make the call.
deadeyedick
2 years ago
Iffn ya rob Peter to pay Paul you can count on Paul's vote.

RayR
2 years ago
As long as the FED can monetize whatever debt the swamp monsters 🧟 create, then the debt will keep rising, and we will keep getting hosed.
So....END THE FED!

Rep. Massie Introduces Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act to "End the Fed"


Washington, D.C.-, May 16, 2024

For Immediate Release
Contact: [email protected]
Contact #: 202-225-3465

WASHINGTON, D.C.- Representative Thomas Massie (R-KY) announces the introduction of H.R. 8421, the Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act. Rep. Massie's legislation abolishes the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve and the Federal Reserve banks. It also repeals the Federal Reserve Act, the 1913 law that created the Federal Reserve System.

"Americans are suffering under crippling inflation, and the Federal Reserve is to blame," said Rep. Massie. "During COVID, the Federal Reserve created trillions of dollars out of thin air and loaned it to the Treasury Department to enable unprecedented deficit spending. By monetizing the debt, the Federal Reserve devalued the dollar and enabled free money policies that caused the high inflation we see today."

"Monetizing debt is a closely coordinated effort between the White House, Federal Reserve, Treasury Department, Congress, Big Banks, and Wall Street," Rep. Massie continued. "Through this process, retirees see their savings evaporate due to the actions of a central bank pursuing inflationary policies that benefit the wealthy and connected. If we really want to reduce inflation, the most effective policy is to end the Federal Reserve."

https://massie.house.gov/uploadedfiles/endthefed.pdf 

Original cosponsors of Rep. Massie's legislation include Rep. Andy Biggs (R-AZ), Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO), Rep. Josh Brecheen (R-OK), Rep. Tim Burchett (R-TN), Rep. Eric Burlison (R-MO), Rep. Kat Cammack (R-FL), Rep. Michael Cloud (R-TX), Rep. Eli Crane (R-AZ), Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC), Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), Rep. Bob Good (R-VA), Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), Rep. Harriet Hageman (R-WY), Rep. Ralph Norman (R-SC), Rep. Scott Perry (R-PA), Rep. Chip Roy (R-TX), Rep. Keith Self (R-TX), Rep. Victoria Spartz (R-IN) and Rep. Tom Tiffany (R-WI).

The Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act was first introduced by former Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) in 1999 and hasn't been reintroduced since 2013.

In addition to introducing this legislation to "End the Fed," Rep. Massie has also introduced H.R. 24, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2023 to audit the Federal Reserve. H.R. 24 was originally introduced by former Representative Ron Paul (R-TX) in 2009.



https://massie.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=395644 
ZRX1200
2 years ago
I blame Russia….we really need to launder more money through Ukraine.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
The only way to balance the budget is to confiscate 50% more money than we already do now in taxes. Then we can start paying down the debt. Just as a comparison, there is $7.4 trillion in all 401K retirement plans combined.

It’s time y’all pay your fair share!

Le HockeyDad Pitchfork & Torch Company will soon be offering a new line of fiddles.
deadeyedick
2 years ago
What we need is a good bankruptcy law firm.
rfenst
2 years ago

What we need is a good bankruptcy law firm.

deadeyedick wrote:


Meh, we could just take the American dollar out of circulation and prohibit it and deem it valueless, and start a new currency that prohibits its use to pay back any national debt. But, of course that restriction would not apply to Americans holding U.S. debt. Poof! Mostly Gone!

But, what would that do to us worldwide?

Still think we need a bankruptcy lawyer?





"As of December 2023, $26.5 trillion of the US federal debt was held by the public, which includes American citizens and other domestic private investors. This is up from $17.4 trillion in February 2020, before the COVID-19 pandemic led to increased borrowing. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projects that the public's share of the debt will rise to $45.2 trillion by the end of 2033."


"Nearly half of all US foreign-owned debt comes from five countries. All values are adjusted to 2023 dollars. As of January 2023, the five countries owning the most US debt are Japan ($1.1 trillion), China ($859 billion), the United Kingdom ($668 billion), Belgium ($331 billion), and Luxembourg ($318 billion)."

GOOGLE
rfenst
2 years ago
There is another rubric for measuring the relative amount of national debt: Debt/GDP.


HockeyDad
2 years ago

There is another rubric for measuring the relative amount of national debt: Debt/GDP.


rfenst wrote:




That one looks pretty bad as well.
rfenst
2 years ago
Americans Have More Investment Income Than Ever Before
A booming economy and rising household wealth help some consumers keep spending


WSJ

Lynn Hogan and her husband jokingly call themselves “the turtles” after methodically investing for decades. In the current race against inflation, which has made trips more expensive and $200 grocery bills not uncommon, the mostly retired educators are among those keeping pace.

Returns from slow-and-steady investments, including stock dividends, have allowed the couple outside of Decatur, Ala., to help put one of their daughters through veterinary school. “To them,” Hogan said of her adult children, “prices matter a whole lot more than to us.”

Inflation, for Hogan, “is not a heart-wrenching thing,” she said.

Growing investment income and household wealth have joined near-full employment and rising wages to keep millions of Americans such as the Hogans spending their way through price hikes. The economy’s charge through higher interest rates is putting unprecedented sums into consumers’ pockets, pushing U.S. asset values to records and helping many high earners avoid the withering effects of inflation.

Americans in the first quarter earned about $3.7 trillion from interest and dividends at a seasonally adjusted annual rate, according to the Commerce Department, up roughly $770 billion from four years earlier. In the last quarter of 2023, wealth held in stocks, real estate and other assets such as pensions reached the highest level ever observed by the Federal Reserve.

The historic gains aren’t without a potential downside. Americans’ resulting ability to shell out more for goods and services “is going to make it harder for the Federal Reserve to reach their inflation target,” said James Marple, a senior economist at TD Bank.

Federal data suggest Americans’ wage and wealth growth in recent years spanned every income bracket. In sheer dollar terms, white people, the rich, the college-educated and baby boomers have bagged disproportionate wealth gains through ownership of assets such as homes—often locked in with low-rate mortgages—and stocks.

Gold is hitting record highs, bucking longtime trends for the commodity. WSJ breaks down the factors behind the rally and why it is attracting new investors. Illustration: Alexandra Larkin
Many investors expected higher rates to weigh down companies’ share prices by eroding the present value Wall Street assigns to future corporate profits.

Instead, hype around artificial intelligence has helped push major stock indexes near records by boosting shares in tech companies, chip makers and even utilities. While the S&P 500 has ticked slightly lower over the past week, Wall Street is still betting on rate cuts this year that could propel the next leg higher.

“That complicates things,” TD Bank’s Marple said.

Economists disagree over the extent to which the so-called wealth effect from rising asset prices encourages consumers to spend, as well as how long that impact might propel economic activity. But in an era of higher bond yields, many Americans’ investments are also turning out cold hard cash that can flow back into the economy via restaurants, hotels and stores.

Victor Hernandez, a tech sales professional in Southern California, has increasingly snapped up Treasurys and corporate debt in recent months to lock in such safe returns. Fixed income now makes up about one-third of his portfolio.

Higher prices caused the 55-year-old and his wife to slow their efforts to buy a new car and delay a potential project to improve their backyard patio and garden. Still, the couple didn’t hesitate to buy one of their sons a new set of tires recently. They are planning trips around the U.S. and to Spain. Family get-togethers have included catered meals.

Taken together, recent stock gains and bond income have put Hernandez in a better position to achieve his goals of retiring early and helping his two boys buy future homes.

“I’m not going to die and take [the money] with me,” he said.

The income flowing to Americans such as Hernandez has sparked debate among some analysts as to whether higher interest rates might actually be stimulating the economy.

Washington has pumped out trillions of dollars in recent years for pandemic relief, clean-energy projects and more, selling Treasurys to finance soaring budget deficits. The snowballing debt, coupled with the highest rates in more than two decades, pushed government interest expenses to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of nearly $1.1 trillion, according to first-quarter figures from the Commerce Department.

That is income for cash-rich companies or Americans who park savings in money-market funds, where 5% annual returns can turn into a surprise five figures.

For Delores McKinley, a retired accountant in Fort Lauderdale, Fla., the low-risk investments “kind of sit there and then, when I do my taxes, I say, ‘Oh, I made all this money.’ ”

Andy Constan, chief executive of the investment consulting firm Damped Spring Advisors, said the higher government-bond payouts likely boosted Americans’ overall spending. But with the Fed signaling additional rate hikes are unlikely, the growth in that income is expected to slow sharply.

Meanwhile, higher borrowing costs are hitting more small businesses that need loans, prospective home buyers who seek mortgages and lower-income Americans who pile up credit-card debt.

“At this stage, it’s much farther tilted to higher interest rates hurting the economy,” Constan said.

Big savers such as Jane Bertani are still holding cash in case the Fed’s inflation fight starts biting in earnest. “If the market falls, you need to have something as a backup,” said the retired occupational therapist from Minnetonka, Minn.

For now, Bertani and her husband, a retired dentist, are still playing the market through individual accounts geared toward specific expenses, such as taxes and travel. The pair, who occasionally splurge on $20 Wagyu burgers at a nearby restaurant, recently went over their monthly food budget—a spending result that Bertani attributes to inflation.

A separate investment account for miscellaneous expenses had them covered. “When and if we need money, we can go to that account,” Bertani said. “I realize that most people don’t have the time or resources to do that. Fortunately, we do.”
Abrignac
2 years ago

Well you wouldn’t let me have term limits.

HockeyDad wrote:



Well there’s that…..
Abrignac
2 years ago

The only way to balance the budget is to confiscate 50% more money than we already do now in taxes. Then we can start paying down the debt. Just as a comparison, there is $7.4 trillion in all 401K retirement plans combined.

It’s time y’all pay your fair share!

Le HockeyDad Pitchfork & Torch Company will soon be offering a new line of fiddles.

HockeyDad wrote:



Or simply trim discretionary spending in the near term and look at ways to reduce mandatory spending as those obligations mature.
jeebling
2 years ago

Or simply trim discretionary spending in the near term and look at ways to reduce mandatory spending as those obligations mature.

Abrignac wrote:



Take a chainsaw to the federal government and entitlements. Slash foreign aid and massive cuts to research programs. Obliterate spending bill earmarks.

One reason we keep getting the same chitty politicians is that Americans have an attitude of “my team against the other team” IRT political parties. They don’t want to risk losing an election by conducting a primary on an incumbent. As an example, John Cronin in Texas is pretty much a a swamp creature who will abandon his campaign rhetoric in order to increase his popularity with liberal voters ahead of an election. But we don’t primary his azz because we don’t want to lose the seat to a Democrat. The stakes are high indeed. That one senate vote is critical to say the least. But here we are, stuck between a rock and a hard headed moron. That’s just one of our problems.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

The current national debt is $34.58T.

The current interest rate on the national debt is 3.23%.

The current interest payment on the national debt is $1.12T.

Total Defense spending for FY 2024 is $841B.

The current Defense budget is $279B less than the current annual debt interest payment.

At the current interest rate it would take 42 years to amortize that debt with an annual payment of $1.5T.

Yet Biden's current budget proposal includes approximately $5.8T in new deficits.

Based on Biden's budget proposal, the CBO projects the total national debt to reach about $50T by 2034.

WTF do we keep electing the same shitty politicians that are hell bent on bankrupting our nation by giving handouts to every swinging dick from illegals to lazy fucks to corporate America?

Abrignac wrote:



Because Medicare and Medicaid are barely limping along. Old, poor, and old and poor people rely on those programs so much, that we'd have anarchy if those expenditures were cut. Nobody voting for that would get re-elected. That is their #1 mission on day one of their cushy job.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
If you don’t raise taxes, the tax revenue coming in is enough to cover the military, social security, Medicare, and the interest on the debt. Everything else has to be shut down.

Massive tax increases is the only option.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

Meh, we could just take the American dollar out of circulation and prohibit it and deem it valueless, and start a new currency that prohibits its use to pay back any national debt. But, of course that restriction would not apply to Americans holding U.S. debt. Poof! Mostly Gone!

But, what would that do to us worldwide?

rfenst wrote:



That is what happened in the late 1940's in Germany. Hyperinflation of the Reichsmarc was replaced with the Deuchmarc.
Larger businesses got a 1 for 1 swap, while individuals got a 14.2 to 1 payback. (For ease of math, if you had 142,000 Reichmarcs one day, you had 10,000 the next day).

Common people were financially destroyed.
Industry snapped right back into place almost overnight, assisted by workers begging and getting jobs working for mere pennies on the dollar to "enjoy" a subsistence level existence.

Unless the start sending Boomers to the showers, the means testing on 401k for affluent people (those with over $100,00 in IRA/401ks) will become a reality.
8trackdisco
2 years ago

If you don’t raise taxes, the tax revenue coming in is enough to cover the military, social security, Medicare, and the interest on the debt. Everything else has to be shut down.

Massive tax increases is the only option.

HockeyDad wrote:



The highest tax rate ever (for some people) was 94% in 1944-45.

Highest Peace Time rate was 91%, from 1946 to 1963 for those people making $200,000 a year (about 2 million per year now).

We get that going, we could put a dent in the debt.


HockeyDad
2 years ago
It’s all set in motion. If you ask the voters for the tax increases, they vote them down (except in California).

If you spend the money via debt and then force a national bankruptcy unless there are tax increases, you get the tax increases.

Every tax rate needs to go up by 50%.
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