The one in particular I'm looking for is called 'Troya',and I'd like to know if Kellner 2cds in Maduro are the same thing.Or if Troyas are also sold as say,Upmanns,or a totally different name.Most of us understand that for sales purposes it's not uncommon for a tabacalera to market the same blend,wrapper,sized cigar under different handles.

Anyone have a comment or info on this topic?

I saw that nude layout she did for Playboy. Yummmmy. But she is almost as weird as her brother Michael.

Ken,

http://www.frontiernet.net/~dmlod/seconds 

I don't know if this is what you're looking for.

LOL,LLT...go smoke a cigar. X

Troyas are damn fine cigars. Wouldn't call them seconds though. You can pick most of the line up for about $50-60 a box. If you want to know where to find them e-mail me: planet32 at go dot com.

I've still got a couple of the Troya 45 Cetros buried in the 'dor somewhere. If I remember, they were pretty decent smokes, it's been a while.

Barry