I can find the Troyas,though I'm told that seconds of this cigar are sold in bundles I can't remember hwere I was directed.Anyone able to LMK? (myhandle)at yahoodotcom

I gotta line on the Troyas and they are not bundles. The #18 maduro remains one of my favorites. e-mail sent with the info.

Kelner Seconds, available here or from Cigars International are seconds from the same factory, but there's no way to know if they're Troyas, Avos, Davidoffs, etc.

You want Kelner seconds?.. Stay with CigarBid and CI. Not sure on the Troyas though. I thought they were made by Tropical Tobac.