jdrabinski
23 years ago
Damn. Even the Pope is against the war in Iraq.

John
jreddoch
23 years ago
It was about time to stir the pot, huh John?
Tobasco
23 years ago

With all due respect to the Pope, he is very old and and not the man he used to be. From what I've heard he sleeps much of the time now. He couldnt possibly know all the details of every problem in the world in his current condition.

Nice try

Mag
jdrabinski
23 years ago
stir stir stir...

I figured politics was already on the table. Why not bring in religion?!?!? Ah, the fun of the Misc. forum.

stir stir stir...

Mag, he speaks for the Vatican, which, in practical terms, means the College of Cardinals. Many of the brightest minds from across the world. So this can't be written off as a senile old man. Nice try.

stir stir stir...

John
tarheel4lyf
23 years ago
He's Catholic. They say a lot of stuff that doesn't matter.
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Bingo!

Oh, that's not it...

The Pope is not God either.
Tobasco
23 years ago

John

Since you know so much about the Pope, why dont you tell me if he has endorsed a war. I dont know if he ever has. If you know he has, then what you say may have impact to some.

But if he never has, then your statement means much less. At least in my opinion.

Mag
usahog
23 years ago
SpiFffffffffffffff.......

for that Matter John... What do you even know about God???

Hog
DrMaddVibe
23 years ago
Hey, he knows more about God than he'll ever know about economics!
xrundog
23 years ago
I will go out on a limb and say that I suspect the Pope is against all war as a general principle.
SteveS
23 years ago
of course the pope is against a war in Iraq ... where's the surprise in that????

it has nothing to to with THIS particular pope or THIS particular war .. all popes are against all wars ... they'd rather we just all got along ... which would be nice ... unhappily, there are those with whom reasonable people are not able to "make nice" ... some people are brutish louts that will take as much advantage of the "make nice" crowd as they possibly can to further their own selfish interest ... some of those brutish louts can be seen on the streets of almost any city in every country ... some of them are gang leaders who incite their gangs to take advantage of weaker or more docile neighbors ... some of them manage to take control of entire countries and would willingly prey on weaker or more docile countries ... Hitler was an example of a brutish lout who preyed on the weak and docile in his own country and then in neighboring countries ... had we not finally stood up to him in WWII, he'd have taken control of all Europe and would've looked to expand from there ...

Saddam is not the only brutish lout in the world today to have control of a country ... he's one who's developed a degree of means to strengthen himself and impose his will on the weaker and more docile countries around him ... we stood up to him when he over-ran Kuwait a few years ago and we chased him back to his own little neighborhood ... but no one, including the US paid much attention to him during the 90's and no one did anything to enforce the limitations that the UN placed on him insofar as disarming himself and ridding his "gang" of what has come to be known as weapons of mass destruction ... everyone, including us, looked the other way while he re-armed himself and sought to gain even more strength than he'd had at the outset of his incursion into Kuwait ... no one, including us, did anything as he befriended enemies of the US such as Bin Laden ... the list of those who he would willingly help does not begin and end with Bin Laden's name, either ... it includes any terrorist group with enough moxie and enough brute loutishness to take action, whether on a grand scale such as the attack on the Trade Center, the Pentagon and on whatever other target the 9/11 hijackers were thwarted by true American heros from striking ...

Frankly, while I understand the pope, I have no understanding of why anyone else, would have a problem with us acting in concert with other countries or acting on our own, going to Iraq and exterminating the brutish, loutish rat that is Saddam ... most importantly, I have no understanding of American citizens who oppose such action ... I cannot understand those who don't see the problem he poses ...and while I understand those among us who are weak and docile being afraid, I don't understand why they aren't grateful that there are those among us who are strong enough and brave enough to step forward and take care of business on behalf of all of us ...

INMSHO, the pope needs to go to whatever part of the Vatican he goes to when he says his prayers and have a word with whatever divine being he has the ear of and ask that this brutish lout and those who are in his gang of thugs can be rooted out and removed from a position of being a threat to all the innocent citizens of this country, their own countries and all the neighboring countries around them ...

Beyond that ... the prominent among us who speak out against the United States should be held accountable ... Jane Fonda should be in prison for treason and those who emulate her actions in this time should be her cellmates ...

As for "God" ... he's no more than a remote observer of the antics of the ants in his antfarm ... don't expect him to take sides, it ain't gonna happen.
jdrabinski
23 years ago
SteveS,

"Beyond that ... the prominent among us who speak out against the United States should be held accountable ... Jane Fonda should be in prison for treason and those who emulate her actions in this time should be her cellmates ... "

Are you serious, dude? Thanks for bringing the voice of radical fascism to the discussion. You know, things were a little to free speech-y here. Now we have the proposal to imprison those who speak out. Thanks. That really moves the discussion along.

On second thought, SteveS, why don't YOU move to Iraq, a country that makes itself famous for imprisoning dissidents.

That was some seriously insane **** at the end. I hope your emotions just got the best of you.

John
SteveS
23 years ago
You obviously are too young to remember what Jane Fonda did during the Vietnam war ... no, that's not emotional ****, .... yes, she should be in prison

I did mis-speak myself insofar as saying "speaking out" ... I intended to say that those celebrities who go to these other countries and give them comfort in their opposition to the US should be held accountable ... and that, sir, is a fact
usahog
SteveS
23 years ago
Good article, Hog ...

jdrabinski , let me recommend this as background info for you before you go popping off at me again for "serious bull****" ... those who give aid and comfort to enemies of the United States are by definition, guilty of treason and should be held accountable and brought up on charges ... that's why little Johnny Taliban is in prison today and Jane Fonda SHOULD have been ...
RICKAMAVEN
23 years ago
jdrabinski

"why don't YOU move to Iraq"

bad form.
jdrabinski
23 years ago
Rick,

May have been bad form, but I was clearly being sarcastic to make a point. I was hoping that made it not so bad form. But you might be right. If it was bad form, I am sorry 'bout that, SteveS.

I guess a movie star making a series of statements seems pretty lame grounds for a charge like treason. Treason should be reserved for serious stuff; posing with tanks and making idiotic statements is hardly the stuff of national betrayal. I like the idea that free speech can be pushed to the limit. I think Jane Fonda did that. Perhaps she was guilty of slander or libel, but treason is a little heavy handed.

Snopes.com is a fun site, but not exactly an authoritative reference page. The issue here is a little bit more complex, to say the least, than the story gives credit...in my opinion.

John
cwilhelmi
23 years ago
Hog always posts ultra-right websites and acts like they're factual unbiased news sources... And Rick does the same but the his are ultra-left...

That's part of the fun I guess
Charlie
23 years ago
Jane F did in fact pose with the enemy and they had pics of her at a rocket launcher (SAM)! John, that is surface to air missile in case you don't know!

She should have been tried for treason! Thoe of us who were in that little conflict did not really enjoy the "Peace demonstrators and the Jane Fondas" pulling against the USA!

Charlie
usahog
23 years ago
those arn't all Ultra Right web sites Cwil I read them all... I like a good laugh just as well as anyone else... but just like a true blue Liberal.. they go defensive when confronted with the Facts... is that why they always want to change history to be Politically correctness??? because they cannot stomach Facts?

Hog
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