arkie_72015
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:31:00 AM
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Tobasco
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:51:00 PM

Heck, I bought a case of duct tape! I must be supporting terrorism. Hehe!

Mag

hegemonic
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:55:00 PM
What the hell are people buying duct tape for?? Seriously, I have no idea how that is going to help. Someone please enlighten me.
Tobasco
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:12:00 PM

hegemonic, I really didnt buy it. I was kidding.

The only thing I can think it may be good for, is trying to seal off the gaps of doors or windows and vents in case of a chemical attack. And I dont even know if that would work. Thats my guess.

Mag

usahog
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:52:00 PM
Thought I would share this with all... I know for sure one thing not to do is Panic... as listed below... and the head up wind is true along with almost everything he says here....Awarness and Vigilance is the Key!!!

Baisc information - worth reading - forget duct tape & plastic)

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A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear,

Chemical and Biological Attacks

A Soldier's Viewpoint on Surviving Nuclear, Chemical

and Biological Attacks From: SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Armor Master Gunner Mesa, AZ

Unlimited reproduction and distribution is

authorized. Just give me credit for my

work, and, keep in context.

Since the media has decided to scare everyone with

predictions of chemical, biological, or nuclear

warfare on our turf I decided to write a paper and

keep things in their proper perspective. I am a

retired military weapons, munitions, and training

expert.

Lesson number one: In the mid 1990s there were a

series of nerve gas attacks on crowded Japanese

subway stations. Given perfect conditions for an

attack less than 10% of the people there were

injured (the injured were better in a few hours)

and only one percent of the injured died.

60 Minutes once had a fellow telling us that one

drop of nerve gas could kill a thousand people,

well he didn't tell you the thousand dead people

per drop was theoretical.

Drill Sergeants exaggerate how terrible this stuff

was to keep the recruits awake in class (I know this

because I was a Drill Sergeant too). Forget

everything you've ever seen on TV, in the movies,

or read in a novel about this stuff, it was

all a lie (read this sentence again out loud!).

These weapons are about terror, if you remain calm,

you will probably not die. This is far less scary

than the media and their "Experts," make it sound.

Chemical Weapons

Chemical weapons are categorized as nerve, blood,

blister, and Incapacitating agents. Contrary to the

hype of reporters and politicians they are not

weapons of mass destruction they are "area denial,"

and terror weapons that don't destroy anything. When

you leave the area you almost always leave the risk.

That's the difference; you can leave the area and

the risk but soldiers may have to stay put and sit

through it and that's why they need all that spiffy

gear.

These are not gasses, they are vapors and/or air

borne particles. The agent must be delivered in

sufficient quantity to kill/injure, and that defines

when/how it's used. Every day we have a morning and

evening inversion where "stuff," suspended in the

air gets pushed down. This inversion is why

allergies (pollen) and air pollution are worst

at these times of the day.

So, a chemical attack will have it's best effect an

hour of so either side of sunrise/sunset. Also,

being vapors and airborne particles they are heavier

than air so they will seek low places like ditches,

basements and underground garages. This stuff won't

work when it's freezing, it doesn't last when it's

hot, and wind spreads it too thin too fast.

They've got to get this stuff on you, or, get you to

inhale it for it to work. They also have to get the

concentration of chemicals high enough to kill or

wound you. Too little and it's nothing, too much

and it's wasted.

What I hope you've gathered by this point is that a

chemical weapons attack that kills a lot of people

is incredibly hard to do with military grade agents

and equipment so you can imagine how hard it will be

for terrorists. The more you know about this stuff

the more you realize how hard it is to use.

We'll start by talking about nerve agents. You have

these in your house, plain old bug killer (like

Raid) is nerve agent. All nerve agents work the same

way; they are cholinesterase inhibitors that mess up

the signals your nervous system uses to make your

body function. It can harm you if you get it on your

skin but it works best if they can get you to inhale

it. If you don't die in the first minute and you can

leave the area you're probably gonna live. The

military's antidote for all nerve agents is atropine

and pralidoxime chloride. Neither one of these does

anything to cure the nerve agent, they send your

body into overdrive to keep you alive for five

minutes, after that the agent is used up. Your best

protection is fresh air and staying calm.

Listed below are the symptoms for nerve agent

poisoning:

Sudden headache, Dimness of vision (someone you're

looking at will have pinpointed pupils), runny nose,

excessive saliva or drooling, difficulty breathing,

tightness in chest, nausea, stomach cramps,

twitching of exposed skin where a liquid just

got on you.

If you are in public and you start experiencing

these symptoms, first ask yourself, did anything

out of the ordinary just happen, a loud pop, did

someone spray something on the crowd? Are other

people getting sick too? Is there an odor of new

mown hay, green corn, something fruity, or

camphor where it shouldn't be? If the answer is yes,

then calmly (if you panic you breathe faster and

inhale more air/poison) leave the area and head up

wind, or, outside.

Fresh air is the best "right now antidote." If you

have a blob of liquid that looks like molasses or

Kayro syrup on you; blot it or scrape it off and

away from yourself with anything disposable. This

stuff works based on your body weight, what a crop

duster uses to kill bugs won't hurt you unless you

stand there and breathe it in real deep, then lick

the residue off the ground for a while. Remember they

have to do all the work, they have to get the

concentration up and keep it up for several minutes

while all you have to do is quit getting it on

you/quit breathing it by putting space between

you and the attack.

Blood agents are cyanide or arsine which effect your

blood's ability to provide oxygen to your tissue.

The scenario for attack would be the same as nerve

agent. Look for a pop or someone splashing/spraying

something and folks around there getting

woozy/falling down. The telltale smells are bitter

almonds or garlic where it shouldn't be. The symptoms

are blue lips, blue under the fingernails rapid

breathing.

The military's antidote is amyl nitride and just

like nerve agent antidote it just keeps your body

working for five minutes till the toxins are used

up. Fresh air is the your best individual chance.

Blister agents (distilled mustard) are so nasty that

nobody wants to even handle it let alone use it.

It's almost impossible to handle safely and may have

delayed effect of up to 12 hours. The attack

scenario is also limited to the

things you'd see from other chemicals. If you do get

large, painful blisters for no apparent reason,

don't pop them, if you must, don't let the liquid

from the blister get on any other area, the stuff

just keeps on spreading. It's just as likely

to harm the user as the target. Soap, water,

sunshine, and fresh air are this stuff's enemy.

Bottom line on chemical weapons (it's the same if

they use industrial chemical spills); they are

intended to make you panic, to terrorize you, to

heard you like sheep to the wolves. If there is an

attack, leave the area and go upwind, or to the

sides of the wind stream. They have to get the

stuff to you, and on you. You're more likely to be

hurt by a drunk driver on any given day than be hurt

by one of these attacks. Your odds get better if

you leave the area. Soap, water, time, and fresh air

really deal this stuff a knock-out-punch. Don't let

fear of an isolated attack rule your life. The odds

are really on your side.

Nuclear Weapons

Nuclear bombs. These are the only weapons of mass

destruction on earth. The effects of a nuclear bomb

are heat, blast, EMP, and radiation. If you see a

bright flash of light like the sun, where the sun

isn't, fall to the ground! The heat will be over a

second. Then there will be two blast waves, one out

going, and one on it's way back. Don't stand up to

see what happened after the first wave; anything

that's going to happen will have happened in two

full minutes.

These will be low yield devices and will not level

whole cities. If you live through the heat, blast,

and initial burst of radiation, you'll probably live

for a very, very long time. Radiation will not create

fifty foot tall women, or giant ants and grass

hoppers the size of tanks. These will be at the

most 1 kiloton bombs; that's the equivalent of

1,000 tons of TNT.

Here's the real deal, flying debris and radiation

will kill a lot of exposed (not all!) people within

a half mile of the blast. Under perfect conditions

this is about a half mile circle of death and

destruction, but, when it's done it's done. EMP

stands for Electro Magnetic Pulse and it will fry

every electronic device for a good distance, it's

impossible to say what and how far but probably not

over a couple of miles from ground zero is a good

guess. Cars, cell phones, computers, ATMs, you name

it, all will be out of order.

There are lots of kinds of radiation, you only need

to worry about three, the others you have lived with

for years. You need to worry about "Ionizing

radiation," these are little sub atomic particles

that go whizzing along at the speed of light. They

hit individual cells in your body, kill the nucleus

and keep on going. That's how you get radiation

poisoning, you have so many dead cells in your body

that the decaying cells poison you.

It's the same as people getting radiation treatments

for cancer, only a bigger area gets radiated. The

good news is you don't have to just sit there and

take it, and there's lots you can do rather than

panic. First; your skin will stop alpha particles,

a page of a news paper or your clothing will stop

beta particles, you just gotta try and avoid

inhaling dust that's contaminated with atoms that

are emitting these things and you'll be generally

safe from them.

Gamma rays are particles that travel like rays

(quantum physics makes my brain hurt) and they

create the same damage as alpha and beta particles

only they keep going and kill lots of cells as

they go all the way through your body. It takes a

lot to stop these things, lots of dense material,

on the other hand it takes a lot of this to kill you.

Your defense is as always to not panic. Basic

hygiene and normal preparation are your friends.

All canned or frozen food is safe to eat. The

radiation poisoning will not effect plants so fruits

and vegetables are OK if there's no dust on em

(rinse em off if there is). If you don't have

running water and you need to collect rain water or

use water from wherever, just let it sit for thirty

minutes and skim off the water gently from the

top. The dust with the bad stuff in it will settle

and the remaining water can be used for the toilet

which will still work if you have a bucket of water

to pour in the tank.

Biological Weapons

Finally there's biological warfare. There's not much

to cover here. Basic personal hygiene and sanitation

will take you further than a million doctors. Wash

your hands often, don't share drinks, food, sloppy

kisses, etc., .... with strangers. Keep your garbage

can with a tight lid on it, don't have standing

water (like old buckets, ditches, or kiddie pools)

laying around to allow mosquitoes breeding room.

This stuff is carried by vectors, that is bugs,

rodents, and contaminated material. If biological

warfare is so easy as the TV makes it sound, why

has Saddam Hussein spent twenty years, millions,

and millions of dollars trying to get it right?

If you're clean of person and home you eat well

and are active you're gonna live.

Overall preparation for any terrorist attack is the

same as you'd take for a big storm. If you want a

gas mask, fine, go get one. I know this stuff and

I'm not getting one and I told my Mom not to bother

with one either (how's that for confidence). We have

a week's worth of cash, several days worth of canned

goods and plenty of soap and water. We don't leave

stuff out to attract bugs or rodents so we don't

have them.

These people can't conceive a nation this big with

this much resources. These weapons are made to cause

panic, terror, and to demoralize. If we don't run

around like sheep they won't use this stuff after

they find out it's no fun. The government is going

nuts over this stuff because they have to protect

every inch of America. You've only gotta protect

yourself, and by doing that, you help the country.

Finally, there are millions of caveats to everything

I wrote here and you can think up specific scenarios

where my advice isn't the best. This letter is

supposed to help the greatest number of people

under the greatest number of situations. If you

don't like my work, don't nit pick, just sit down

and explain chemical, nuclear, and biological

warfare in a document around three pages long

yourself. This is how we the people of the United

States can rob these people of their most desired

goal, your terror.

SFC Red Thomas (Ret)

Armor Master Gunner

Mesa, AZ

And on another Note.. I think our Military Family's and the Iraq's and the rest of the World are going to find out just how bad or good Saddam has made his Chemical Concoctions... I would rather see him step down from Power and No one get killed... but he will not do this... So I would Gladly step up and test my Training to take him out of Power!!!!

Hope this Helps some!!!!

Hog

usahog
Tuesday, February 25, 2003 8:59:00 PM
Another Note... Would you Believe me if I told you I was on that Same Subway System less then 24 hours before the Syrin gas attack? Tokyo 1994 Repungi (Sp) District Subway headed down town to Party in Japan... Hard Rock Cafe Tokyo!!!!

ah da Fish

Hog

bud451
Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:07:00 AM
That's funny, my wife told me they said to buy shoes and a curling iron!