Tell me funjohnny, where does the Judge who gave that Order get his rights to do so?

Without this Judge (Thompson) totally disregarding the Constitution of the United States. he has no Basis but "self gradification" to legally set the court order in Motion...

Take your time with this one... I want to see if you can come up with a legal answer???

Hog

See "Alabama judge and the 10 Commandments Post"
http://www.cigarbid.com/auction/forum/forum.cfm?action=list&forumID=9&messageDisplay=0000000013517 

For the Answer to this Trivial Question that has taunted so many minds with their own belief's on what this is all about

There you will see the FACTS on what Truely is Happening!!!

Hog

You say "We must acknowledge God". That is a persuasive statement that stems from a belief that those who don't think like you are less of a human. Why should everyone acknowledge what certain individuals imagine? Spirituality is personal to an individual and should remain so. Mandated belief systems are what got the Germans in trouble. The same mentality allowed people in the South to believe that those of darker skin should not vote and enjoy the same liberties as lighter Americans. How much of the South still thinks this way? For some people, religion is racism. Do you believe that Atheist should be brought to the light? What do you think Ben Franklin would say about this?

crisatodd, the word "Mandate" in your post answered your own question... if the People of the United States allow the Federal Judicial System to step in and mandate the policy over this States Rights.. is just one more step closer to the Germans!!!

I wouldn't know How ol'Ben would Feel, Why don't you ask him when you see him??

I'm not worried about the Atheists. They have their own Beliefs to deal with!!!

Hog

Mr. Hog,

Where does the judge who made the order get his rights to do so??? FROM THE CONSTITUTION!!! I read the other post and I've been following this issue, but the argument you are making and the matter Judge Moore is protesting holds no weight in a court of law. If you want to argue the facts, what is right and what is just, then that's an entirely different matter. But the law is written such that Judge Moore cannot do what he has done. Is it right?? That is not my decision to make. Has history proven time and time again that sometimes, some laws just don't make sense?? Yes. In this instance, Judge Moore brings up a valid point. Unfortunately, he is wrong. His interpretation is wrong. The Constitution of the United States of America may be telling the State of Alabama what they can and cannot do, but that's the way it was intended. How can you not see that?? If the US Constitution starts taking a backseat to every state's individual wishes, then you no longer have one nation, under GOD, indivisible (def: incapable of undergoing division), with Liberty and Justice for all. You have 50 entities, each lobbying for their own piece of the big pie......

In other words, nothing would really change at all. I'm going for a smoke......

funjohnny19

The day I won't mind them taking down the ten commandments is the day they take "In God we trust" out of the 1 dollar bill. No one will ever take that out because money is too fundamental for them.

Smoke a Blunt Funjohnny, then when you come back read the last post I posted on the previous thread, and then tell me again what your inturpitation (sp) of your rights are??
And
"You have 50 entities, each lobbying for their own piece of the big pie"
that would be times 2,= 100, Each State has 2 Senators lobbying for their piece of that pie!!!!

Hog

Hog - I read the other post. I can see both sides and I understand your take on this one. You may be right.

I just think this issue has gotten too far from the point........Can a public official erect a 2.5 ton religious artifact in a public place??? I say no. But honestly, I could care less....

Very true funjohnny, and that is Alan Keyes Point and my Point exactly... you saying you could care less.... those two words together is why this nation has taken the route that it has now today... Careless, look at this misc. board for example...it used to be when a man gave you his word it was like writen in Stone... and agreements used to be made over handshakes...
nowadays folks don't even trust their own family members let alone, Like here Brothers of the leaf...
everyone ready to pinch the other guy's head off over feeble arguments on these boards.. then we all go to bed wake up the next morning and forget about issues that happened the day before...

The soul foundation of Trust, Morals and Ethics are all being eroded away one stone monument at a time!!!
and what Billy had said and also what Alan Keyes pointed out in that article... pretty soon it could become a dictatorship because people are so caught up in their day to day activities they get the feeling of Caring Less.... then pretty soon there isn't enough folks who are going to Care Less and that is when We the People lose all our Alianable (sp) Rights!!!

just my 5.55 cents worth..

Hog

Hog - Like I said, I see your point. I even agree with you. Morals, trust and ethics have changed over the years, and it hasn't been for the better. But me saying "I could care less" has nothing to do with that. My attitude is such that I can argue a point, state my opinion and that's that. That's the best part about this country, everyone is entitled that freedom. In reality, if you wanted to erect a hunk of stone displaying something you stand for, then I commend you for doing that. Hell, I'd even help you set it up if it meant that much to you!! But being a public official, he can't erect that monument in a public facility. Judge Moore is breaking the law and by disregarding a Federal decision, all he is doing is promoting disrespect for the law. He is violating the Alabama Canons of Judicial Ethics, the US Constitution as well as the Alabama Constitution.

Four Federal Judges have said he is wrong. Even if Judge Moore doesn't argee with the courts decision, he still needs to recognize it's authority.

By placing that monument in the rotunda, he has basically (and unintentionally) established a free speech zone. In fact, other groups have recognized this and have contacted Judge Moore requesting permission to erect statues and monuments of their own in that same rotunda. The same rotunda which proudly displays the Ten Commandments monument. You know what? Judge Moore denied their requests. You can't have it both ways. If he wants to display his monument in the rotunda, then everyone and their brother should be afforded that same right. That's what America is about.

The order send down on Judge Moore stated that the statue can constitutionally rest anywhere and send out its religious message anywhere, except on government property such as the courthouse, where it violates the establishment clause.

If he disagrees....fine. He should resign his post and become a private citizen. But while he is in his job, he is bound by oath to enforce the law. America's freedom of religion forbids any group of believers to use government to impose their faith on others. It doesn't get any clearer than that. The government can't tell you what gods to worship, or whether to worship any. That's freedom of religion.

Judge Moore is a demagogue - plain and simple.

funjohnny19

Funjohnny, I also see your view on this issue.. it has been great debating the issue with you!!!

here's one to keep an eye on also
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d108:26:./temp/~bdf3fC:@@@L&summ2=m& 

it will be interesting to see what happens when Congress recoviens on this issue...

Hog

Oh I forgot to add the Summary of the Bill

SUMMARY AS OF:
2/13/2003--Introduced.
Requires the Ten Commandments to be prominently posted for display in the chambers of the House of Representatives and the Senate.


Hog

usahog

"the US Supreme court has Infringed on the States Rights!!!"""

straenvducumen. they haven't done that since they overturned the florida state supreme cou

Nice point, Rick! Where were these state's rights folks then, huh?

John

But Rick... Who is the Whinner who took it straight up to the US Supreme Court??? because he Lost his Battle in the Florida States Supreme Court System?

Bingo!!!!

Hog