HockeyDad - Your "threat" question is too subjective, but it sounded like our intel failed and allowed the rest to happen

I don't care why GWB and BC may sound the same, I don't remember discussing Clinton on this thread, I thought it was about why we attacked Iraq this year and the "immediate" threat the posed to us.

I'm sure there is a technical definition of WMD that the military has, and I'm sure it's based on potential destruction, what is this a setup for...

Yes, anthrax is easy to make and VERY danderous, I understand that. This detracts from your points if anyone could have made it...

In order to make Anthrax viable as a mass destruction weapon it has to have a delivery vehicle. The mail system won't work because it will be caught before long and the damage minimized. This means a missile or something which most nutcases don't have...

I'm done on this

CWil? How did the Japanies Terrorist Group do there damage in 1994?

or do you even recall that one happening??

Hog

Jesus Chris... you go on a defensive whenever Clinton is mentioned in any situation and then you block out everything else around the Issues...

what HockyDad is trying to Say... even Clinton Like GWB also viewed what possible threat Saddam Hussains Iraq had on the Western World...

you didn't answer my Question on the Japanies Terrorists in 1994... let me refresh your Memory...
they used Syrin Gas in the Subway Tunnels in the Rypongi (sp) District in Tokyo Japan.. set up with a timer system so it would go off during business hours.. that District they set this up in is one of the Busiest districts in Tokyo or Japan for that matter during rush hour of Business... it killed quite a few people.. but the thing about it... know one knew in advance that this was going to happen... and it was not a large quantity of Syrin.. it wouldn't take much to start creating Havock in the United States... something here or there... major areas rural areas etc... I personally think Our President and Our Military and the War on Terror Campain has been very successful and combating this Threat (Including Iraq because Saddam was known for having and using at his leasure these Weapons Of Mass Distruction. He would have given the **** away if he knew the Terrorists were going to use it against the "Great Satan" Western World) they have kept it off American Soils and Protecting American's Lives and Livelihoods!!!!

you can bitch and moan all you want.. but the FACT is... the Plan is working and there's still a long road to hoe.. With all Americans sticking together We Will Prevail!!!!!!!!!!

Hog

"Japanese" terrorists with "saran" gas yes I remember, let's bomb Japan then, they pose an immediate threat, right???

please use spell check, you're KILLING me before the terrorists even have a chance!! 😉

I don't care about Clinton, how f*cking hard is that to understand, all you guys can do is bring him up and assume that since he and GWB agreed that everyone should. Not that easy!! I'm not going on the defensive, I'm saying that if using Clinton is the best you can do then don't even respond!!

Hog - here's a statement, do you agree with it or not?
As americans it's our duty to question our government if we think they have acted wrongly! After all they are representatives for us, not for their own devices.

What are your thoughts?

"As americans it's our duty to question our government if we think they have acted wrongly! After all they are representatives for us, not for their own devices." Yep I Believe whole Hartedly with that... but I do not hold a Blind Vengence against our Government for actions I do not know the whole facts on... and one more thing.. I don't Trust our Media Circuit right down to Rush Limball or G Gordon Liddy... but they do bring up some Interesting Facts on whats really going on in America Other then whats being passed along through CNN/Fox/ABC/NBC or any other system out there..If I want to know if something is Factual I research it.... Where's my Buddy Spiney???


"What are your thoughts?" I Think Ignorance is Bliss!!!!!!

Hog

Then why do you attack people who do their duty, or do you just say that they are "hold(ing) a Blind Vengence against our Government for actions I(they) do not know the whole facts on"?

I do not think I'm holding blind vengance, I'm questioning and being berrated for it.

The media is a joke, too much money and too much opinion instead of objective facts.

You're definitely right though, ignorance is bliss... LOL

Chris you are closing your Eye's to the Facts in this Thread Given to you and you still want to argue some other Bull**** off the Topic. anything to create a fog over what is actually and has actually taken place in this country and the world for that matter... I don't give a **** about how you feel about Bush or Clinton.. the Subject here is the WOMD's and why Iraq.. Clinton during his term and all his Advisors and Intelegence people were telling him the same thing as Bush was getting from his Advisors and his Intelegence people... Thus when the "War on Terror" Started (and we didn't start it 911 Remember??) Iraq because of their past denials for over 12 years clear back in the 80's was an immediate threat because as I stated and others have also..Saddam's Capabilities and the known use of them along with his long track record of denieing any UN sanctions on the Issues of WMD Including his wanting to build Nukes... was just one more Hurdle...

that smart ass comment about bomb the Japanies Next.. another Ploy I see of diverting the real Issue... I was on that F*ckin Subway system less than 24 hours earlier I kept the newspapers, subway tickets, pictures, and my Hog Rock T-Shirt that me and 6 others ventured down to Rigungi District in Tokyo to visit just the evening before this crap was unleashed...
"what I was saying to you is this" you don't know and wouldn't know until it was way to late if you've been affected by something like this!!! say Giants Stadium or going to the NFL football game.. anywhere anytime this kind of crap could happen... Don't play it down like it's a F*cking Cold or Flu like your previous posts have been...

You Have to give Credit to the War on Terror and the Military Men and Women who are out there putting their lives on the Line Defending this Crap from Happening to you!!!! and slamming the Bush Administration for whats going on until you've got the Facts on the Whole Situation... and then if you want to continue to slam it.. then you are not only slamming his efforts but also every Military members Efforts out there trying to make our Living a Better place then what it was on 911...

As far as my Typing/spelling... well I get my Point across and if you can't deal with that then don't bother reading my posts...I viewed this as you trying again to change the Topic of this Thread

Hog

This is going nowhere so I'm not going to respond anymore, but I will say that the spelling thing was a joke, nothing more...

I Agree.. You had the Facts dropped in your lap and it pissed you off.. in a Valent attempt to distract the real Issue on this Thread your Distraction Failed.. you Don't want to give any Credit to Bush's Administation and or the Military for the Efforts to Keep America Free of Terrorist Threats...
Thats just a shun on your part... Thank God not all people in America feel the same Way... and We Will Prevail!!!!!!

Hog

Are you reading my posts?? I acknowledged the facts of the article and asked a simple question as to the immediate threat of what they have found. After all, we were told that there was an immediate threat, if they can prove that there was an immediate threat, which may be hard as Hockeydad stated, then there was obvious justification for going into Iraq. I'm not so naive as to believe that peace is the only answer and we never have to fight for it.

I also stated that supporting the administration and supporting the troops are not one in the same, I have never and will never speak bad of or wish ill our troops. I hold more respect for them that I can adequately convey; if for no other reason than that they do what I cannot, protect America and everything that makes it great. Don't put words in my mouth on this anymore!

I wasn't trying to put words into your mouth.. I was stating facts and I guess because there hasn't been any more lengthy Terrorists attacts, or acts there of on American Soil... then that gives yourself the justification that we were wrong for stopping something before it did happen? the Threat of Biological/Chemical was not the Only reason we went into Iraq... it was to Free the people and stop the Atrocities that were happening to the Iraqi People under such rule (Saddams Regime) just like we did in Serbia.. WW1 and WW2 and any other time before or after that... but to tunnel vision it to we're their because of strictly OIL Is Bull****!!!!

Hog

I have never said we were there for strictly oil.

Ok Strike the (Stictly)Off of it... the Arguments you have led for GWB and the United States Military have been because of OIL as the Charge... Bush wants the OIL... which is exactly what the Media and a **** load of Liberal Democrats and Republicans want people to think... and to Run with this to the extent that GWB is getting American Soldiers Killed every day we're in Iraq because of OIL is what I Meant by BULLSH!T... draw a fog around it and pound it out so loud that thats the only thing Busy American People are listening to...

I was told by a Wise Lawyer once.. if your going to make a Criminal Case against someone... Sling enough **** on the Wall that Somethings going to Stick...

thats what I see here... instead of believing the real issues that are at hand... to mush other Fog is being tossed up to see if anything will Stick...besides whats real...

Hog

bull****, I said oil was part of it but I've never said it was even 50% of the reason... you're confusing me with Rick!

Rick Saying it and you agreeing with it makes it the same Case...

Hog

if your carrying a ballbat and your buddy talks you into going and beating someone up with it and taking their money...you agree you find the person who looks prime target... but at the last minute you hand the bat off to your buddy who goes ahead and beats the person.. even though you headed home are you not just as guilty as him?

Hog

If I agreed with it then you're right, but I didn't agree with it. I said it was part of our reason...