DMV, you clearly have mastery of ctrl-c. Nice work.

You seem to be under the illusion that I was a Clinton supporter, specifically his bombing of Iraq. You would be wrong about that.

Where are those WMDs again? Oh, that's right...they aren't out there! When are you gonna swallow that bitter pill, boy?

John

General Boykin Bio


Native of Wilson, N.C.


Married to the former Ashley Steele of Darien, Conn.


Graduated from Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University with a bachelor's degree in education (1971).


1971: Commissioned in U.S. Army. Served in 2nd Armored Division, Fort Hood, Texas; 101st Airborne Division, Fort Campbell, Ky.; and 24th Infantry Division (Mechanized), Fort Stewart, Ga.


1978-1990: Assigned in various capacities to Delta Force.


1980: Delta Force operations officer on the April 24-25 Iranian hostage
rescue attempt (Operation Eagle Claw)


1983: Grenada


1990-1991: Army War College


1992-1995: Commander of Delta Force.


1992: Col. Boykin is commander of the initial eight-man Delta team sent to Colombia on July 26 to hunt down Pablo Escobar (Lt. Col. Gary Harrell is one of the officers involved in the mission; now Brig. Gen. Harrell, commander of special operations in Iraq.)


14 April 1993: Col. Boykin, together with Brig. Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker (currently chief of staff of the Army) meets with Attorney General Janet Reno to discuss Waco planning.




1993: Somalia; commander of the Oct. 3-4, 1993, raid in Mogadishu, Somalia, to grab clan leaders of warlord Mohamed Farrah Aidid. Wounded by a mortar round.


1994-1995: Chief, Special Operations Division, Office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff


1995: Participated in the White House Security Review as a consultant


1995: Deputy director of special activities in the U.S. Army Element of the CIA, assigned to the Military Special Projects Group (also known as the Special Activities Staff).


1995: Haiti operations.


April 1998 to February 2000: Commanding general, U.S. Army Special Forces Command (Airborne), Fort Bragg, N.C.


March 2000-2003: Commanding general, U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center, Fort Bragg, N.C.


June 2003 - present: Deputy undersecretary of defense for intelligence (intelligence and war fighting), the Pentagon



Quotes from General Boykin


FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, BROKEN ARROW, OKLA., JUNE 30, 2002
[SLIDE SHOW, PICTURE OF OSAMA BIN LADEN]


"And then we began to see this facethe face of Osama bin Laden. And finally we said, 'There's the enemy. That's our enemy. That's the man that hates us. And all of those that follow him."


[PICTURE OF PRESIDENT BUSH] "And then this man stepped forward. A man that has acknowledged that he prays in the Oval Office. A man that's in the White House today because of a miracle. You think about how he got in the White House. You think about why he's there today. As Mordecai said to Esther, 'You ave been put there for such a time and place.' And this man has been put in the White house to lead our nation in such a time as this.


"But who is that enemy? It's not Osama bin Laden. Our enemy is a spiritual enemy because we are a nation of believers. You go back and look at our history, and you will find that we were founded on faith. Look at what the writers of our Constitution said. We are a nation of believers. We were founded on faith."


[PICTURE OF SATAN] "And the enemy that has come against our nation is a spiritual enemy. His name is Satan. And if you do not believe that Satan is real, you are ignoring the same Bible that tells you about God. Now I'm a warrior. One day I'm going to take off this uniform and I'm still going to be a warrior. And what I'm here to do today is to recruit you to be warriors of God's kingdom."




GOOD SHEPHERD CHURCH, SANDY, ORE., JUNE 21, 2003
CELEBRATE AMERICA EVENT


"And we ask ourselves this question, 'Why do they hate us? Why do they hate us so much?'


Ladies and gentlemen, the answer to that is because we're a Christian nation, because our foundation and our roots are Judeo-Christian. Did I say Judeo-Christian? Yes. Judeo-Christian.


"That means we've got a commitment to Israel. That mean's it's a commitment we're never going to abandon.


"Go back and read the history books. Go back and read what the early founders of this nation said about Israel, about the Jews. John Adams wrote extensively of, he called it the Hebrews, the contributions they had made to our concepts of liberty and the importance of their contributions to the founding of this great nation.


"Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin each, independently, when asked to come up with a national symbol for this new nation, both came up with a national symbol that reflected on our Jewish heritage.


"One had Moses standing over the Red Sea with his staff and the water parting.


"The other had the Israelites coming out of bondage in the desert being led by a ball of fire. They recognized the importance of our relationship to the Jews and to Israel. Ladies and gentlemen, we will never abandon Israel, we will never walk away from our commitment to Israel because our roots are there.


Our religion came from Judaism, and therefore these radicals will hate us forever."




FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH, DAYTONA, FLA., JAN. 28, 2003


"There was a man in Mogadishu named Osman Atto. You see him in the movie ["Blackhawk Down"], smoking a big cigar and talking philosophically. How many of you have seen the movie? Acting like a big shot. Well let me tell you something. That's not what Osman Atto did. The reality was Osman Atto was Aideed's closest ally. He was Aideed's top lieutenant. He was a multimillionaire financier for Aideed's clan. And we knew if that if we could capture Osman Atto and take him away, that we could destroy Aideed's network. So we went after Osman Atto about two weeks before the battle.... We went after Osman Atto. We got into a terrible fight. And I'm sad to say a lot of Somalis were killed as we went after Osman Atto.


But we missed him by seconds. He walked out of the facility that we raided, he walked down the street and blended in with the crowd and we missed him.


"And then he went on CNN and he laughed at us, and he said, 'They'll never get me because Allah will protect me. Allah will protect me.'


"Well, you know what I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol. But I prayed, Lord let us get that man.


"Three days later we went after him again, and this time we got him. Not a mark on him. We got him. We brought him back into our base there and we had a Sea Land container set up to hold prisoners in, and I said put him in there. They put him in there, there was one guard with him. I said search him, they searched him, and then I walked in with no one in there but the guard, and I looked at him and said, 'Are you Osman Atto?' And he said 'Yes.' And I said, 'Mr. Atto, you underestimated our God.'"

jdrabinski You are anti-American and a communist, of course you don’t like Clinton, you hate all American presidents and anything that has to do with America. You condemn America and everything in it.

No I know you're not. You don't support America PERIOD! We know THAT!

I'm tired of hearing about how GW "lied" to the world, when all he could be tied with is adhearing to his predecessors plan to keep Saddam lock stepped with the UN resolutions.

The UN turned a blind eye and let Saddam funnel money to whatever he wanted with the food-for-oil program. The UN bent over and let Saddam ram them with every resolution that they voted to use force on! GW used the war on terrorism to remove a component that would aid and abeit terrorism and has in the past! Now, that America has spoken up and used her force I'm sure you'll counter that we killed innocent people. The world IS a safer place without Saddam and his sons running Iraq. Soon, free elections will be held and those people will be able to vote on a ballot that has more than one name on it! It's got to cheese you off, because once again America did the RIGHT thing.

As far as the economy...look around the signs are pointing towards a full recovery with growth plus! America wins again.

"You are anti-American and a communist, of course you don’t like Clinton, you hate all American presidents and anything that has to do with America. You condemn America and everything in it."

...and you've known me for how long? You have it wrong. My feelings about my country are complex, all motivated by a love of where I come from. Yet, you claim to know me better than I know myself based on a few bbs posts. I think you may be as crazy as the General!

The General thinks that God put GWB in the White House. That's just precious...or insane.

John

Hitler wanted to “condemn this country” too, he was also a communist.

LOL! Hitler a communist?!?! That must be why he tried to invade Russia...to get close to the communists. You crack me up.

Do a Google.com search on Hitler and communism. You'll find the opposite of your point. Or, better yet, get a history book.

Hitler condemned the U.S.? Huh? What could that have to do with anything?

(Note: National Socialism did not mean "socialism" in the sense of an economic system).

John

Fascist/ communist it’s all the same. Fine, Hitler was a fascist and he also wanted (to condemn our country)

thanks lol

Fascism and communism are not the same.

Hitler never seemed much concerned with the U.S., actually. Until we joined with the 'Allies.'

I think you suffer from a form of idolatry in relation to the U.S. Get some perspective.

John

now you really sound like a Hitler apologetic and or sympathizer!

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Here's your FACTS John, Read and Heed...

Iraq and the Links...

http://www.cdi.org/program/issue/document.cfm?DocumentID=1453&IssueID=56&StartRow=1&ListRows=10&appendURL=&Orderby=DateLastUpdated&ProgramID=39&issueID=56 

IN THE SPOTLIGHT:
Ansar al-Islam
When Secretary of State Colin Powell presented the U.S. case for war with Iraq to the UN Security Council in February 2003, he pointed to Ansar al-Islam, a small extremist Islamist group in Kurdish northern Iraq. Powell presented evidence for a “sinister nexus between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network,” explaining that “Baghdad has an agent at the most senior levels of the radical organization [Ansar],” and this individual offered safe haven to Qaeda members in 2000.

There's More if you Squat about Terrorists you'll find out more here;
CDI Fact Sheet: Current List of Foreign Terrorist Organizations and Other Terrorist Organizations (as designated by the U.S. State Department)

http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?DocumentID=384&StartRow=1&ListRows=10&appendURL=&Orderby=D.DateLastUpdated&ProgramID=39&from_page=index.cfm 

Now This is Another Reason WHY we went into IRAQ...
I'm glad Our Military People including myself can make your Life so Complete... that you got the Blasfimy (sp) to squander your Freedom Of Speech about Condeming US and these United States!!!!

I'd be glad to offer you a trip down to Ft. Campbell KY the 101st boys will be coming home soon and allot of them will be really Thirsty.. we can just venture into a local bar offer them a Cigar buy them a Beer and then you can tell them how you feel would that be OK with you??? Don't spill it sitting behind a Computer Screen if you don't have the Balls to say it Face to Face!!!!! your Profesorship or your Desk Job wouldn't hold a candle to what you've been blowing off about GWB this Country and the Military!!!!!

I asked you for facts not something the Democrats are pissing and moaning about in Washington... the same Company did allot of work for Clintons Administration but thats OK huh??

Hog

OK, so if a bunch of people want to beat me up for disagreeing with them, I'm supposed to agree with them? This veiled threat is both absurd and offensive. You know, hog, it might be the case that they would think 'hey, it's a free country. He can believe what he wants.' If they don't think that, well, then they don't understand the very country they are dying for.

Whatever. This 'I'd like to see you say that in a military bar' bull**** is so grade school. Well, my dad can beat up your dad. So there.

As to the substantial stuff, well, hey, what can I say:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3118262.stm 

Bush himself doesn't see the connection, Russ.

John

"Bush himself doesn't see the connection,"

Bush himself doesn't have to worry about the Connection there anymore.. because Our Special Forces along with Kurdish Rebel's elimintated that Connection.. and the rest of the Military in Iraq are making sure there will never be a connection..

what makes you think these guys would kick your ass John??? they may buy you beers and welcome you with open arms... there isn't a threat anywhere...

Hog

Topped So John can see what he actually said and couldn't remember Saying... Gee Sounds like someone else who just left office a few years ago.. and getting twelve million for something he couldn't recall... I didn't realize until now how close you and Willy Clinton were JohnBoy!!! Psssst Sis you awake???

Hog

BTW Thanks Sylance for locating this link!!!!

65gtoman

hitler was not a communist. he was a fascist. and bush is a dingoist.

Huh? Russ, please show me where I've said anything bad about military people in this thread. In fact, if you read it, I said the opposite: this is about decision makers. Always has been, always will be. You miss the point when your sole focus and attention is on 'honoring' individuals serving in the military. That is not, never has been, never will be what I am discussing on this bbs.

What does it take to get that through your head?

Emily Litella: "what's all this I've been hearing about Mr. Bush being a dingoist? I certainly don't want a president in favor of Australian wild dogs!"

Chevy Chase: "No, Miss Litella, that's 'jingoist' not dingoist."

Miss Litella: "Oh...that's different. Nevermind.

Lazygardner, LMAO when I read your post! Sort of brings to light some of the arguments we get into on the board.....

Professor John, we do not hate you for your posting, nor do I "hate You" at all, I simply think you are a little confused!

Charlie

I think that alot of the posters here have lost sight of the original statement at hand, and the context thereof. First, the General was stating his OWN beliefs, those beliefs which any military man or woman has to keep to keep from seeing themselves as murderers (unless they are already sociopaths, which we don't need or want) He was addressing a group of christians, with whom he was in agreement in belief (oh yeah remember the Constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Religeon, or is that only for people who wont use it???) If there IS a guarantee of Freedom of religeon, and we don't want a total sociopath running a large segment of our military force, Why do we insist on pillorying a man who has the sand to profess his beliefs? Yes, many things have been done by proponants of ALL religeons which are at loggerheads with the teachings of the founders of those faiths. This is the problem with taking an attempt to idealize humanity and putting it into a less than ideal society, ANY society. So next time you think someone should be fired for holding certain religeous beliefs, Be ready for two things First, be ready to put YOUR ass on the wall where his was, and Second, be ready to have YOUR job taken away because some hothead doesn't agree with YOU, or thinks YOU voted wrong, or thinks YOU read the wrong kinds of books, or hang out with the wrong type of people, because if the freedom of religeon is made worthless, then all the other guarantees made in the Bill of Rights are just as worthless!