plabonte
22 years ago
I agree the class doesn't have anything to do with who uses the F word and who doesn't.

I'm also perplexed as to how this became an issue of race.
spence28
22 years ago
Plabonte,
It became a race issue when Gtoman implied that low income, "innercity" people are uneducated and therefore swear more. I just pointed out the implication of race.
JonR
22 years ago
Yo: I'm classy if you don't believe it just **** ask me. JonR
buffallo
22 years ago
GTO has a good point. Although, you cant generalize a poor education to only slums...

I would associate not using the word to having class. This dates back to times of the Knight.. having repsect.. honor.. etc.. I think this is what GTO was referring to. He didnt mean social class, but instead, class in general.

Ezell
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22 years ago
Yes you may be classy but it is apparent that you are un-educated by your use of a colloquialism and forgetting the "g". LOL!!
65gtoman
22 years ago
spence28 what are you saying only the uneducated poor black people live in the intercity!!

You’re the racist.
wekikther4wer
22 years ago
All I know is, when I was about 6-7 years old, not knowing what the 'f' word meant, I used it in front of my dad. I had probably heard it on the street. My dad slapped me across the face. Later that day, he apologized for slapping me and explained that the word was a curse word and was not to be used by me under any circumstances. My folks set a pretty good example for me, they did not use curse words as part of their every day vocabulary. So neither do I. I think we, as a society have lost our language skills, so we insert curse words instead.
plabonte
22 years ago
Oh I get it spence. He must be racists because no white people live in the inner city. Gotcha.

I think in a lot of cases a swear word is used to convey emotion. Nothing conveys the fact that you are angry or upset as well as a swear word.
spence28
22 years ago
Sorry, you guys are right, maybe I jumped the gun a little bit, but when someone uses a statement like:

"Im not personally offended by the use of the word, but I have respect for others, and try not to sound like some inner-city punk."

The initial reaction/implication is very negative and obviously has racial connotations. Having lived and gone to school very close to the "inner-city" in Buffalo, I do associate that area as having a heavier African-American population when compared to caucasian.

However, I do concede that this "punk" could be of any race. My intent was to point out the stereotype associated with the inner-city.
spence28
22 years ago
....not to mention that there are just as many "rural" punks.
HockeyDad
22 years ago
Improper playing of race card.
10 yard penalty, repeat first down!
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22 years ago
Times change, there wasn't too much "inner city" in Buffalo in the 50's that I remember. But then I lived Gibson Street and we had the Germans on our side of the street, the Poles across the street, Ukrainians down the street. Still a heavy older immigrant population in that area when I grew up there.
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22 years ago
There is only one time I use the "F" word......and that day is........
"The Great American Smoke Out".........**** That Day!!!
JonR
22 years ago
Yo AVB: The "g" was purposely left off. That's how we pronouce " **** " in Philly as in " ****-A ". JonR
penzt8
22 years ago
I for one use this word whenever possible. I think it's a great word. It has strayed so far from it's original meaning that it no longer means anything. It's been part of my vocabulary since my early teens. Of course, I've had to keep it under control in certain company but for the most part I use it pretty freely. I don't use in front of other peoples children but use it pretty freely in front of my own.

My 24 year old son uses it pretty freely but I don't think I've ever heard my 16 year old daughter say it. In 25 years of marriage I don't think my wife has said it once. And believe me, that's quite an accomplishment considering the amount of time we've spent together.


One thing I've noticed though is that I rarely use it in a sexual context. I may call someone a f--ing idiot but I wouldn't normally say something like "she's really hot, I'd f--- her". I'd probably use some other euphamism such as "she's really hot, I'd hose her down". It shows a lot more class!

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22 years ago
Thanks Jon, I never would have guessed :>) (former Cherry St resident)
His_Royal_Highness
22 years ago
The Origin of the Word "****"

Different Thoughts:

The word is derived from the Danish word "fokken" to breed cattle and Swedish "fokka" to copulate.

In truth yes the F-word does mean Fornication Under Consent of the King, but it was ingraved in the entry ways of brothels, it ment that the brothel was legal and paid taxes. Henry the 8th made prostitution legal and taxed it in order to make more money.

Actually the word "****" has nothing to do with Kings or their consent to have sex. **** is an Old English word which means "to sow a seed" (as in farming). "To sow" means to scatter seeds, similar to the process of a male ejaculating in to a female.

Popular etymologies agree, unfortunately incorrectly, that this is an acronym meaning either Fornication Under Consent of the King or For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge. The latter usually accompanying a story about how medieval prisoners were forced to wear this word on their clothing.

Deriving the etymology of this word is difficult, as it has been under a taboo for most of its existence and citations are rare. The earliest known use, according to American Heritage and Lighter, predates 1500 and is from a poem written in a mix of Latin and English and entitled 'Flen flyys.' The relevant line reads:

"Non sunt in celi quia fuccant uuiuys of heli." Translated: "They [the monks] are not in heaven because they **** the wives of Ely [a town near Cambridge]." The word was not in common (published) use prior to the 1960s.

Shakespeare did not use it, although he did hint at it for comic effect. In Merry Wives of Windsor (IV.i) he gives us the pun "focative case." In Henry V (IV.iv), the character Pistol threatens to "firk" a French soldier, a word meaning "to strike," but commonly used as an Elizabethan euphemism for ****. In the same play (III.iv), Princess Katherine confuses the English words "foot" and "gown" for the French "foutre" and "coun" (**** and ****, respectively) with
comic results. Other poets did use the word, although it was far from common. Robert Burns, for example,
used it in an unpublished manuscript.

The taboo was so strong that for 170 years, from 1795 to 1965, **** did not appear in a single dictionary of
the English language. In 1948, the publishers of The Naked and the Dead persuaded Norman Mailer to use the
euphemism "fug" instead, resulting in Dorothy Parker's comment upon meeting Mailer: "So you're the man who
can't spell ****."

The root is undoubtedly Germanic, as it has cognates in other Northern European languages: Middle Dutch
fokken meaning to thrust, to copulate with; dialectical Norwegian ****ka meaning to copulate; and dialectical Swedish focka meaning to strike, push, copulate, and fock meaning ****. Both French and Italian have similar words, foutre and fottere respectively. These derive from the Latin futuere.

While these cognates exist, they are probably not the source of ****, rather they probably come from a common root. Most of the early known usages of the English word come from Scotland, leading some scholars to believe that the word comes from Scandinavian sources. Others disagree, believing that the number of northern citations reflects that the taboo was weaker in Scotland and the north, resulting in more surviving usages. The fact that there are citations, albeit fewer of them, from southern England dating from the same period seems to bear out this latter theory.

There is also an elaborate explanation that has been circulating on the internet for some years regarding
English archers, the Battle of Agincourt, and the phrase Pluck Yew! This explanation is a modern jest--a play on words. However, there may be a bit of truth to it. The British (it's virtually unknown in America) gesture of displaying the index and middle fingers with the back of the hand outwards (a reverse peace sign)--meaning the same as displaying the middle finger alone--may derive from the French practice of cutting the fingers off captured English archers. Archers would taunt the French on the battlefield with this gesture, showing they were intact and still
dangerous. The pluck yew part is fancifully absurd. This is not the origin of the middle finger gesture, which is truly ancient, being referred to in classical Greek and Roman texts.
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