Anecho, regarding what this thread is actually about, do you believe that we are as bad or evil as the terrorists? Do you believe that the media has blown the whole panties on the head thing out of proportion? Let's compare, shall we? We stack up prisoners (terrorists) naked and put panties on their heads. They kidnap an innocent man and cut his head off. What kind of a person puts that on par with what we did? You? Do you have such “Blind Faith” in John Kerry and the Libby’s who demonize GWB that you would do this?

Robby, WHO said we are as bad as the terrorists. Please do not dodge this question and provide some sources, ok?

Or are you just making stuff up?

Which is it: do you have statements to back this up, or did you just make it up to score points with you and...well, just you alone in your computer room.

mhpd, are you sniffing the freeze +P again? Or MKII or Deep Punch? Stay off that $hit dude, it will fry your mind...

In case you did not read Rick's whole post, here's a couple of snippits, try to stay on task...

“torture from Afghanistan to Gitmo to Iraq has so far resulted in 25 deaths now under investigation. “

Ummm, how many deaths were natural? How many of those people were terrorists? How many were directly or indirectly responsible for 9/11? Do you care? (don’t answer, I know the answer is NO! you don’t give a rat’s a$$ about American deaths, only terrorists…) You know, if 25 “people” died while being interrogated, my only concerns would be whether or not we got the information new needed from the terrorist ragheads before they kicked… I’m sure you’d rather read Sadam his Miranda rights rather than see him brought to justice for his crimes against humanity…

“We have put ourselves on the same moral level as Saddam Hussein, the only difference being quantity”

Ok, I’ll refer my previous comment, if someone kills 3,000 people, and then I have to kill 30 people (read guilty people) in order to bring them to justice, is that wrong? Let’s make the numbers 3 million, let’s say they nuke an America city, you still having second thoughts about pulling out the brass knuckles pig?

"The damage is incalculable. When America puts out its annual report on human rights abuses, we will be a laughingstock."

Here you go again, the writer, Rick, and clearly you believe that we, me, our military, etc… Are MUCH worse than any Islamo-terrorist could every hope to be. You’re only agenda is to see Bush unseated and see Kerry in his place. Would it were that Kerry did the exact same $hit that you’re complaining about, you’d turn a blind eye. So your motivation is clear, it’s unambiguous, it’s easy to understand, You’re un-American, plain and simple. You don’t care what happens to America, you only care to see your man in office. That’s sick and you should be ashamed… Sick B@$t@RD!!

This is absolutely what we have become. ABC News Nightline focused their entire show tonight on the "atrocities" done by the Americans against the "detainees". They raised sorted point (without counterpoint) after sorted point. They repeatedly attempted to link George Bush directly to the abuse.

They ignored the fact that we're dealing with terrorists. They ignored how our people are treated when "captured" (read kidnapped and held hostage and then murdered). For all intents and purposes, it was like Baghdad Bob was the executive producer of the piece. It was without a doubt the single most hideous, disgusting, anti-American piece of attack "journalism" and I use the term loosely, that I have EVER seen in my ENTIRE life. This can only mean one thing, they (the left, Ted Kopel, et-al) are getting worried that the flip-flopper may not win. I literally made me sick to my stomach to watch. I believe this was the last straw with me and ABC news... I've watched them reluctantly through the years to get the left view of what's happening. But tonight, they kicked America in the nads one too many times. I am NEVER watching ABC news again "ever".

And before you Libbys try to jump all over me on this, let me pose this hypothetical to you. The people who are being interrogated are sworn enemies of the US, they’ve kidnapped your wife or child or mother, they have them in a hole, and they’re running out of air… And they look at you and say “I want a lawyer MF…” These are terrorists. They would not pi$$ on you if you were on fire. They need to be “handled” in ways we may not find seemly. And we CERTAINLY DON’T NEED TO KNOW ALL OF THE DETAILS OF WHAT IS DONE TO EXTRACT INFORMATION FROM THESE ANIMALS ABOUT THE WHEREABOUTS OF YOUR LOVED ONE BURRIED IN A BOX RUNNING OUT OF AIR!

Wake up people, ABC news is the enemy, they are every bit as against America as Sadam or Osama…

Robby

you poor thing, you have gone over the edge.

Rick, why do you hate the Jews so? What have they done to you? Do they teach you to eat your own? Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Rickamaven wrote: "you poor thing, you have gone over the edge". Wow, how sad coming from him.

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Rick:
It's not what we have become, but what we were and will be again. If torture is used in there circumstances(not including US citizens) then so be it. We don't have the constitution for the world, but for the USA. Do I like torture; No, but what needs to be done, needs to be done. (Of course this may all be moot if the story isn't true)

Fritz