my last adventure was a thai stick. i think i still feel the effects.

perhaps that is why i am such a mellow fellow.

Hell the Joya de Nics Antanos were as strong as Thai stick until someone changed the blend! Still got a couple of the ones from last year//they are treasures!

Charlie

Charlie

do they make your eyes light up and your stomach say howdy?

All of the above!

Charlie

Osage, I stand corrected on the issue of how to use peyote, but I DO remember hearing that the government had a minimum bloodline to keep every head in the country from joining.

RICKAMAVEN,
You missed the point of my question. I wasn't talking about you. If NOBODY objects - not even the people who are contrary just for the sake of being contrary - then is anybody harmed?

I don't know...The whole religion thing is funny to me. I consider myself to be a God fearing, spiritual man but not one of religion. Religion is man made and more often than not is a way to passivly control the masses. Well I guess if you are part of that particular mass, becuase history as well as modern times clearly show that more blood has been shed in the name of religion than any other subject in the world. The funny thing is if any of these narrow sighted cattle would take the time to read any other text besides the ones they are told to by another man, they would see that all religions are connected. It is man, in our feabel attempt to be masters of our own destinies, that segregate spirituality.

I am 1/2 Native American, and at the age of 13 I did drink the medicine (peyote)while sitting 3 days in an osi (hot house), which is a right of passage in my tribe. I have never seen it used for a party or just cause someone ran down the street and bought a 20 sack.

I can't stand when these holier than thou type want to force feed me there corupt view of Christianity. Todays church is just a big business where in alot of cases the pastor is the dirtiest player in the place.

Rickamaven wrote: "i don't like my time wasted by someone elses beliefs"

Which is EXACTLY why I don't read most of your posts.

Gypsy wrote: "I can't stand when these holier than thou type want to force feed me there corupt view of Christianity. Todays church is just a big business where in alot of cases the pastor is the dirtiest player in the place."

So YOU are right, while all of us who follow a religion are wrong? Do you really believe this?

428cj,

No, by no means am I saying that you or anyone else are wrong for following your choice of religion. Nor am I stating that I am above or better than anyone for my beliefs. I'm just saying that alot of times people forget that it is just that, a choice. And tend to place their pastor or preist on some type of pedestal. I beleive that this is a modern form of idoloterism. "In the last days there will be many false prophets". As I stated it is so often believed blindly that one who does not follow the same religion is the enemy. And nothing outside of their own churches book of choice holds any merit. But all of these books are written by man, no doubt at times under the influence of God, but by man all the same. There are many studies on religious text, where many similarities were found in all of them. Sometimes even down to naming the same people or place in time. Now in anceint times when kings wanted to keep information secret, they often broke down the information and had it dispatched to different parts of the kingdom by couriers. Do you think that perhaps this was Gods plan as well? Maybe that is why bibles are such a coded mystery and all religions I have crossed are based more on faith than on written text.

Gypsy and 428,

" place their pastor or preist on some type of pedestal"

Right here is the problem and as Gypsy points out he is exactly right on this one...

But also people who's religion they choose should not be discarded or stereotyped as it has become...

Blame the Pastor/preist but don't blame your God!!!

Hog

clive: i assure you, you don't have to be 3/4 native american to partake; you just have to be on native land and either be a member of a native denomination or be their guest in order to take peyote (tea form is most common). also, not all native american tribes, nations or spiritual collectives include taking peyote. 🙂

as for communion, aka "the eucharist," there is among catholics (at least hardcore roman catholics) the belief called "transubstiation." what that means is that, so it is believed, at the time when the priest gives the eucharist, it IS actually transformed into the literal body and blood of christ.

in most if not all protestant denominations, the eucharist/communion is, indeed, symbolic. not so for the holy roman catholic church and eastern orthodox church, which both teach transubstiation.

Well said Gypsy, glad to hear your thoughts on the matter.

I totally agree with you, if someone places their priest/pastor so high I feel there's a rather large problem. As hog said, we don't worship them, we worship WITH them, always keeping in mind who we're really there for.