Kazama
22 years ago
When I am in a fight, I make sure my opponent is down and not getting up.

I would never fight until my opponent cries and then run off to pick a fight with his next door neighbor.

And I certainly am not just an overcompensating, tough talking, fake.

Kazama
usahog
22 years ago
Bush Served.. he served in the National Guard.. is there something wrong with this?

Clinton on the other hand skipped to Russia during his Number being called.. he is/was the Official Draft Dodger.. and if you want to call Kerry's 4.5 months in Vietnam.. putting himself in for all these purple hearts so he can beat feet and then wreck havoc with HIS Testimonials to the Senate in 1971.. Heroic??

the fact of the matter is.. your sliding this back to the Past when we are all living TODAY and Tomorrow and how things are going to be tonight and tomorrow.. not what happened in the past.. Hindsite accept for the FACTS we have now.... Bush Commander and Chief.. 911 Happens.. Bush CNC steps up to the Plate for the American People (Not his own personal self figure) and took the matter at hand and dealt with it...

Kerry on the other hand and viewing his Voting Record since 911 is running for this CNC position.. and with his record and how he has done America and American People these past 30+ or just in Senate 20+ yrs... hasn't a care in the world for the American Men and Women in Uniform.. America or Americans... Kerry has a self Image he wants to maintain at the stake of all the above...

Defense Rests....

Hog
usahog
22 years ago
"When I am in a fight, I make sure my opponent is down and not getting up.

I would never fight until my opponent cries and then run off to pick a fight with his next door neighbor."

Now which is it Son?? A or B??

A)Not getting up or 😎 running off to the next door neighbors?

there's a slight conflicting story here all in one/two paragraphs...


You fit the Kerry Camp Well!!!! Flip and Flop...

Hog
Kazama
22 years ago
You've taken too many blows to the head, son.

One statement says, "When I am ..."
the other says, "I would never..."

That means I would do the first, and would not do the second.

I fight to the finish.

I would never stop in the middle of a fight to start a fight with someons else.

This confusion, on your part, of a fairly simple reading comprehension issue explains your confusion on other more complex matters.

I repeat; read more, watch less television, sonny.

Gotta go. Can't waste any more time on this.

Kazama
usahog
22 years ago
No it was read correctly.. it is the way you put it across to which makes for confusion...

A) "When I am in a fight, I make sure my opponent is down and not getting up.

B) I would never fight until my opponent cries and then run off to pick a fight with his next door neighbor."

it must have been your play on words was until suppose to mean unless?? in either case your wording comes across as interpreted and very simular to your Buddy Kerry's wording...

So in my view of this statement.. you'll wait until your neighbor gets involved before a fight would break out.. close neighborhood you live in.. would your neighbor do the same for you? why not just call the cops? I mean I know every time a fight broke out with someone else and myself I was always sitting close to a phone...
on the other hand... you say his neighbor.. does this mean you are a super hero and cleaning up the neighborhoods? your lucky to not have whoever and his neighbor stomp a mudhole in your A$$..
corse most neighbors don't want to get involved and would rather call the cops.. then you risk the chance of going to jail...

all in all and in other words it sounds like you let the matter be cleaned up by someone else... which is a wise choice...

your right on the enough over this matter and back to the War On Terror...

because Clinton didn't do his Job... Bush had to step up and do his... and for the matter of Clinton not following through for the American People as Pledged.. we Americans are minus 3000+ other Americans. 1 world trade center and billions of dollars.. not counting the American Men and Women in Service who have lost their lives since the War on Terror actually Took Action...

Notice if you would I stated Took Action... where as if Clinton would have taken action rather then putting something down on paper and claiming a war on terror and then firing a few missiles at some camps and also a pharmacutical plant in Sudan at which we also had to spend Millions to rebuild.. I honestly think America would be better off today... we would still have all the above and we would not be looked down on as bad as we are by the Islamic groups along with these other country's who think today we are the Bully's...

now you can untwist your tongue and enjoy your cigar!!!!

Hog
Cavallo
22 years ago
hog, i gotta say, i have NO idea where you're getting this about kaz.

i read very clearly 2 distinct actions. he would fight to the finish is one. he would not leave the fight and go pick one with someone elses. there is no "flip flop" there, no matter how hard you're trying to fling $hit on the man.

this time, bro, you're just plain wrong.
usahog
22 years ago
Cav,

I can always count on you to come to the rescue..

I am getting this from the same Logic Mr. Kazama retorts his views about Bush in his above statements... if I kept saying it long enough it would make sense to All!!! and begin to sink in...

it is simple for anyone to come in and start spouting off things against GWB and the current Administartion as has been happening.. but yet where are the facts to these claims?

to sit and read or listen to MoveOn.org and other sites of this nature.. it is not hard to become brainwashed to this being the case...

when in all actuality what has happened it totally the opposite...

I understood clearly what Kazama was trying to elate to in his post but with a bit of the same twists and turns of the words it could come off anyway one would want it to read... as with the Left and their agenda for America...

Hog
CWFoster
22 years ago
Clinton DID give orders to shoot back.
Remember the cruise missiles he ordered launched that destroyed the al Qaeda training camps in Afganistan? Do you remember your conservative condemnation of that assault? Remember "wag the dog"?
-Have you ever studied military history? Have you ever BEEN in the military? You can't fire long-range cruise missles at a target and forget about it! You have to put men on the ground and pick through the wreckage, identify the dead, and track down the survivors, anything less is meaningless posturing


"... could not get the CIA, the Pentagon, and FBI to act sufficiently to deal with the (terrorism) threat."
" He put an end to Iraqi and Iranian terrorism against the United States by quickly acting against the intelligence services of each nation. Remember the cruise missile strike against the Iraqi intelligence buiding that killed Muammar al-Qadhafi's adopted daughter? Remember the resulting conservative condemnation because he should have tried harder through diplomatic channels?"
No, I don't remember ANY time since the eighties that anyone said we needed to use more diplomatic pressure on Libya. Most conservatives I know thought that libya was long overdue for a trip behind the woodshed a long time ago, not more "meaningless posturing". And WHO left the CIA and other intelligence arms incapable of action? Under the Clinton administration, agencies were forbidden to deal with known criminals and murderers unless they had specific written authorization from higher up. Have you ever worked around bureaucrats? if you add a layer of paperwork that says "I want to do what has been discouraged" that's taken as a suicidal career move, so the request never gets made, the channel is dropped, and and intelligence resource fades away. The people we need to keep tabs on are not surrounded by choir boys, and often the motivation of the would-be informants are revenge, or the possibility of advantage if the lead-dog is taken out, so often we have to deal with those who are not much, if any better than the targets, but in doing so, we can learn about them should tey move up into that category. But if the whole chain is dropped, we lose tabs on the whole situation, and get blindsided repeatedy (no not 9/11, Khobar Towers, the African Embassy bombings, the USS Cole, need I go on?) You seem to want to buy the self canonization of William Jefferson Clinton. Thanks to his efforts the Chinese Communists can now target our West Coast cities acccurately, and Yasser Arafat has been shown for what he is, but no one will accept it! Clinton pressured the Israelis into negotiating with the PLO without making the PLO acknoledge Israels basic right to exist, and when the Israelis caved in to 95% of their demands, they walked away, because the thing they really want is Israel gone! I'll hand it to him, he got the Israelis to give more than I EVER thought they would, but it STILL wasn't enough!


BUT, my original post was clear enough, we can't change the past, what would you have us do now? Walk away? that would leave the same situation as when the Russians left Afghanistan!

Herr Rabbit
22 years ago
USAhog, that Bush served in the NG is not the issue, It is a Liberal dodge. Remember, serving wasn't necessary when Clinton ran. I assert their thesis is still true. Kerry made KERRY'S service his sole qualification. Bush doesn't even question it.

It only comes up when the Lib spinners are asked about the myraid holes in Kerry's story. Then, rather than answer, They parrot, "Bush wasn't even there at all". But, by their own above thesis of a scant 8 years ago, it isn't even relevant.

Don't be deflected, my friend, when drilling down for truth.
428cj
22 years ago
I'm going to be polite and sit this one out.

But I do want to say to CW and Hog you're putting up a good fight here. Keep going and good luck! Just remember, no matter how many facts you lay out many will still refuse to see things properly.
niteorday
22 years ago
Hey, does anybody remember how many times the news reported our forces finding chem suits and supplies on their way to bagdad ? How come we don't hear about that during the debate ? How about the latest story that has been underreported, about Iraquis telling the survey group recently that saddams special forces replaced border guards when they trucked all those wmd to syria. Patience, men, a lot a egg in face as the story unfolds.
CWFoster
22 years ago
Search the archives, I've been saying since I got on these boards that the WMD were there, we gave diplomacy TOO MUCH of a chance, and gave them time to put them somewhere where they will come back to haunt us!
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