HockeyDad
14 years ago

Every time they want to raise taxes they drag out the gimps, the insane and the elderly to help push their agendas.

Thats just low and it's a tired ploy that they keep bringing out.

itsawaldo wrote:






...but it works every time! The other one is to threaten to cut public safety. We're gonna have to get rid of police and firemen.


This stuff is foolproof!
DaQueenBeez
14 years ago
I don't get it. Can someone clear up a couple head-scratchers for me? We're in debt, so we fix it by spending more money we don't have? Is that why he wanted to raise the debt ceiling - so he could spend more money we don't have? He's going to create jobs... like the "shovel ready" jobs he promised last time, right? "It's paid for," but he can't tell anyone HOW it's being paid for? Is it because he doesn't KNOW how it's going to be paid for, or because he wants it passed BEFORE we find out he "paid for it" by selling his house - you know... the white one - on ebay? It bears a remarkable resemblance to the LAST stimulus bill... isn't that the one that's working out so well that we need another one? "Pass it now, read it later," - like the obamacare plan.... WTH???? Are we really that stupid? Wait... don't answer that one. I'm nothing resembling a high level economic analyst or anything, but... at least in our area, unemployment is high because businesses, companies, school districts - you name it - are downsizing. They're downsizing because they can't afford to pay the employees. If you "create jobs" but the economy remains in the tank and employers STILL can't pay everyone, won't the employers of the people working those "created jobs" have to downsize all of those employees... leaving unemployment the same as it was before and possibly worse? How is he going to solve the problem by "getting the private sector to spend more" when the private sector isn't spending because they can't afford it? Is he going to infuse them with more money? Where is it going to come from? (Oh, wait - I already asked that.)
I'm confused.
HockeyDad
14 years ago
There is a magic pixie dust element to these things.

If we spend more and create demand, it will cause increased hiring. Increased hiring generates additional tax revenue and also gets people off government assistance which also acts like a revenue increase. Then when things are good, we carefully raise tax rates to raise more revenue to pay back the debt but not raise taxes too much and take too much money out of the economy and kill it again.

That is the economic theory.

Now the reality is that where we falter is the part about raising taxes when times are good to pay back the debt. The reality has been we may raise some taxes at that point but there is heavy resistance to that "pain" part of the equation and even as the revenue increase, we find other stuff to spend it on instead of paying down the debt. It is a "pay me now or pay me later proposition" and we readily chose the "pay later" option but then do not do it.

The real trick is to take the "pay later" option and then leave the implementation of that to a new President and congress to fulfill it!
ZRX1200
14 years ago
Or.........not have socialist programs to start with.
DrMaddVibe
14 years ago
Devoid of reality
Obama policies often accomplish the opposite of their intended effects
By Richard W. Rahn
The Washington Times
Monday, September 12, 2011

President Obama's speech this past week should have been labeled, "Believe what I say, not what I do." All too much of the speech was devoid of reality. At one point he said, "And I agree there are some rules and regulations that put an unnecessary burden on businesses at a time when they can least afford it. That's why I ordered a review of all government regulations. So far, we've identified over 500 reforms, which will save billions of dollars over the next few years."

The reality is far different. There are thousands of new regulations that have either been implemented or are under consideration that have not been subject to meaningful or rigorous cost-benefit analyses. The president may have ordered the folks in his administration to do real cost-benefit analyses, but the fact is that those who are in charge of actually doing them frequently fail to do so. On Thursday, Nancy A. Nord, a commissioner and former chairman of U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC), wrote a letter to Cass R. Sunstein, Mr. Obama's regulatory czar, in which, referring to the current chairman of the CPSC, she said, "While the chairman's letter would have you believe that we are enthusiastically implementing the president's executive order, such is not the case. With a proper analysis, this agency can construct rules that advance safety without undue economic impacts and without delay. That result requires efforts on our part but unfortunately, the majority here has shown no interest in making those efforts."

It is not just the CPSC that is failing to do proper cost-benefit analysis and issue regulations in a clear and understandable way - this is equally true of the banking, health care, environmental and energy regulators. Millions of Americans are without jobs solely because of regulatory incompetence or worse.

The president tells us his administration is doing everything it can to create jobs and remove the impediments to job creation. Millions of American jobs are dependent on foreign investment, yet the Obama administration has done nothing to stem the decline in the value of the dollar, which clearly discourages foreign investment. In reality, the Treasury Department and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) are engaged in an active program that will drive hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign investment out of the country. More direct foreign investment comes from Switzerland into the United States than from any other country, which means that the Swiss create more American jobs than any other country. So, what does the Obama administration decide to do? Attack Switzerland.

Things that are illegal under our tax law are not necessarily illegal under the Swiss tax law. Every sovereign country has the right to devise its own laws, including tax laws. Yet, the Justice Department and the IRS are the process of suing many Swiss banks for the crime of following Swiss tax law inSwitzerland. How would Americans react if the country of Saudi Arabia started suing U.S. corporations for not requiring American female employees to be veiled? If we claim the right to extend our laws outside our borders, do not other countries have an equal right to extend their laws outside of their borders - and into the United States? Some of the Swiss banks are reacting to this outrage by refusing to take any U.S. clients or invest any money into the United States, so we end up losing millions of jobs. The endangerment of a constructive relationship with the largest direct foreign investor into the U.S. in order to catch a few tax cheats shows that officials in the IRS and the Treasury Department are devoid of reality.

The president told us this past week that his plan would create millions of new jobs for Americans. But in 2009, we were told that if the "stimulus bill" was not passed, the unemployment rate could rise above 8.5 percent. The bill was passed, and the unemployment rate rose to 10.2 percent. Administration forecasts said unemployment would be no higher than 7.1 percent by now, yet it stands at 9.1 percent. The president is still operating as if the Keynesian theory of more government "stimulus" spending had worked and would work - despite reality.

The president has proposed extending unemployment insurance for another year. His new chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers and other economists have produced studies that show extensions of unemployment insurance most often lead to higher unemployment, not lower unemployment. To claim this as a jobs measure is devoid of reality.

Finally, the president said, yet again, that he wants the "wealthiest Americans" and largest corporations to pay their "fair share," but fairness is never defined. The president keeps confusing the terms "wealth" and "income," but they are not the same thing. You can be wealthy with a low income, or have a high income and a negative net worth. Which group does he want to tax more? If he puts a higher tax on job creators, will not fewer jobs be created? His whole discussion of this issue is devoid of reality.

Richard W. Rahn is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and chairman of the Institute for Global Economic Growth.

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