first off...I really don't see how you can logically "justify" one felony over another (breaking embargo vs fraud) a crime is a crime. You of all should know that.

In the real world. you ordered a product on credit card, said product never arrives, now you need to contact credit card company and dispute the charge on the grounds that you did not receive product and vendor has stated it will not be sending it. Honestly that is not fraud. vendor doesn't get paid you don't get product

Over and done with. And sounds like it is time you quit ordering from said vendor and find a new source

engletl wrote:

Fraud over $500 is a felony. Breaking the embargo is not a felony. And this "vendor" has no embargo in his country.

I too would never say I didn't get something to the bank when I actually did. That is fraud, and there is no reason to do that.

njstone wrote:

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

Fraud over $500 is a felony. Breaking the embargo is not a felony. And this "vendor" has no embargo in his country.

I too would never say I didn't get something to the bank when I actually did. That is fraud, and there is no reason to do that.

njstone wrote:

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

Not sure how anyone does not realize that this is a federal felony

Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515, (Revised September 30, 2004) are administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations can go as high as $1 million for corporations, and $250,000 for individuals plus up to 10 years in prison. In addition, civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation can be imposed by OFAC.

CLASS C FELONY

For a Class C Felony, the penalty is a fine of up to $100,000, or imprisonment of up to 40 years, or both; however, for a repeat offender, the term of imprisonment may increase up to 2 years with prior misdemeanor convictions, and up to 6 years with a prior felony conviction.

breaking the embargo is a Class C Felony

engletl wrote:

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

If you're gonna be a bear, then be grizzly! Picking and choosing when, where, how, and what to be honest about is, well, what everyone does, but it don't make it right!

on63 wrote:

WHAT FREAKIN VENDOR IS IT?????

fishinguitarman wrote: