njstone
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:23:25 PM

first off...I really don't see how you can logically "justify" one felony over another (breaking embargo vs fraud) a crime is a crime. You of all should know that.

In the real world. you ordered a product on credit card, said product never arrives, now you need to contact credit card company and dispute the charge on the grounds that you did not receive product and vendor has stated it will not be sending it. Honestly that is not fraud. vendor doesn't get paid you don't get product

Over and done with. And sounds like it is time you quit ordering from said vendor and find a new source

engletl wrote:

Fraud over $500 is a felony. Breaking the embargo is not a felony. And this "vendor" has no embargo in his country.

I too would never say I didn't get something to the bank when I actually did. That is fraud, and there is no reason to do that.

ggriffi
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:37:51 PM

Fraud over $500 is a felony. Breaking the embargo is not a felony. And this "vendor" has no embargo in his country.

I too would never say I didn't get something to the bank when I actually did. That is fraud, and there is no reason to do that.

njstone wrote:

it's not a question of whether or not the "vendor" has an embargo, the statute reads that it is illegal for an American citizen to buy cuban cigars anywhere,anytime.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Documents/ccigar2.pdf 

APBTMarcel
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:42:38 PM
Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.
kcramer
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:44:55 PM

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

Nope...I probably would have seen those nice discount offers "if" I got that email.🇨🇮

engletl
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:45:21 PM

Fraud over $500 is a felony. Breaking the embargo is not a felony. And this "vendor" has no embargo in his country.

I too would never say I didn't get something to the bank when I actually did. That is fraud, and there is no reason to do that.

njstone wrote:

Not sure how anyone does not realize that this is a federal felony

Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515, (Revised September 30, 2004) are administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations can go as high as $1 million for corporations, and $250,000 for individuals plus up to 10 years in prison. In addition, civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation can be imposed by OFAC.

CLASS C FELONY

For a Class C Felony, the penalty is a fine of up to $100,000, or imprisonment of up to 40 years, or both; however, for a repeat offender, the term of imprisonment may increase up to 2 years with prior misdemeanor convictions, and up to 6 years with a prior felony conviction.

breaking the embargo is a Class C Felony

ZRX1200
Saturday, September 17, 2011 9:51:01 PM
Im smoking a Boli PC.
njstone
Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:08:28 PM

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

I wouldn't bite. The company may not be around to offer you those discounts, by the tone of this email (which I did not receive, so I'm going by hearsay).

APBTMarcel
Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:14:00 PM
That's what I'm worried about, a hit and run type dealio.
njstone
Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:23:59 PM
Let's say I bought some pewter goblets online from a shop in Vienna. If they had NOT shipped yet, and asked me to cancel and resubmit payment, I would. BUT, I would wait until the cancelation had gone through FOR SURE before I resubmitted payment.

If they had already shipped ... I'd wait for them to arrive. Upon arrival, if the order was correct, then the transaction is completed ... period.

wheelrite
Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:27:18 PM
Hey ya bunch of sissies,,,

It's called "Risk,Reward"

remember when you used to buy a big sack of weed from some dude you didn't know.Sometimes it was crap.Other times it was primo..

same thing as this...

Man Up...

APBTMarcel
Saturday, September 17, 2011 10:48:18 PM
Never bought weed before so........
APBTMarcel
Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:26:44 AM
My friend forwarded a response from the company.

"We have been defrauded by Mobile Zone Ltd. UK.

PLease dispute the charge.

Regards

Rolf"

fishinguitarman
Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:49:43 AM

Not sure how anyone does not realize that this is a federal felony

Cuban Assets Control Regulations, 31 C.F.R. Part 515, (Revised September 30, 2004) are administered and enforced by the Office of Foreign Assets Control. Criminal penalties for violation of the Regulations can go as high as $1 million for corporations, and $250,000 for individuals plus up to 10 years in prison. In addition, civil penalties of up to $65,000 per violation can be imposed by OFAC.

CLASS C FELONY

For a Class C Felony, the penalty is a fine of up to $100,000, or imprisonment of up to 40 years, or both; however, for a repeat offender, the term of imprisonment may increase up to 2 years with prior misdemeanor convictions, and up to 6 years with a prior felony conviction.

breaking the embargo is a Class C Felony

engletl wrote:

I just lost my balls again....

dubleuhb
Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:24:26 AM

Well I am baffled as to what I would do "if" this happened to me. I saw in an email someone got that if you were to do this they would give you a future discount on your cigars for the rest of the year. Now that sounds like it's almost worth doing. On the other hand if they offer you a big discount to do it then shut down their site, nothign good comes out of it. Am I the only one who "saw" and email about recieving a decent discount if you follow through with this? Surely not.

APBTMarcel wrote:

I recieved this same E-mail, I am just going to wait and see if my order comes and go from there. If it does then I have nothing to argue and it will be their problem to get whatever it is straightened out with their bank.

fishinguitarman
Sunday, September 18, 2011 8:29:01 AM
WHAT FREAKIN VENDOR IS IT?????
on63
Sunday, September 18, 2011 9:16:43 AM
ROTF at 53!

If you're gonna be a bear, then be grizzly! Picking and choosing when, where, how, and what to be honest about is, well, what everyone does, but it don't make it right!

HockeyDad
Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:33:08 AM

If you're gonna be a bear, then be grizzly! Picking and choosing when, where, how, and what to be honest about is, well, what everyone does, but it don't make it right!

on63 wrote:

It makes it French!

Slimboli
Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:15:06 PM
Some one pass on the vendor to me in PM ??? I've been doing a lot of 'Class C' felonies lately ... :-"
Slimboli
Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:28:54 PM
Thanks guys ...

WOW ... two weeks ago I got a box of Sancho Panza Small Club '08 and Partagas Serie D Edicion Limitada 2010 without any problems.

I guess I wait this one out for awhile before I order again ...

nickatnite
Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:02:43 PM

WHAT FREAKIN VENDOR IS IT?????

fishinguitarman wrote:

x100!!!!

Yes.....please......somebody send a pm.....PLEASE!!!!!