That's a valid point, Ramon. Now you have me curious as to the answer, as well. Like I said, after all the inoculations I got in boot camp, all the shots we got for going over seas, and then the anthrax shots... I ain't letting any doctor stick needles in me with anything I do not need.

MACS wrote:

if I were old and frail and stuff I'd think about gettting a flu shot..... 😟



do you guys run out and buy all the 'New and Improved' stuff they advertise on tv..??? 😕

DrafterX wrote:

There was a time when vaccine's and antibiotics didn't exist. When family's would have 8 children and be considered lucky if two made it to adulthood. A time when a simple scratch could kill you because of an infection. A time when polio ravaged children's body's and crippled and even killed. Today Polio has been virtually wiped out in the U.S. and around the world. The Spanish Flu affected 1/5 of the worlds population and killed anywhere from 20 to 50 million. It wasn't children and the old it killed either it was healthy men and women between 20 and 40 years old it killed because it drove our immune systems into overdrive and our own body's attacked us. Kids and older people with weaker immune systems survived because their weakened immune systems didn't have the strength to kill them. Why anyone would want to go back to those days is beyond my comprehension. Calling it a scam so medical company's can make a profit. Thinking it's some evil plan to sterilize us and control the population. The Taliban is killing aid workers who are trying to vaccinate young children over there for exactly that reason. If any other corporation is price gouge, or making a profit in some unethical way, etc. and get called on it the accusers are called socalists or facists who are against free enterprise. But when a medical company sells a vaccine and makes a profit it's all just some evil scam and how dare they make money from this. The lead author of the paper which started this whole scare, Andrew Wakefield, had his medical license pulled because of his fraudulent research. Yet people still buy into it. I really don't understand why anyone would be against vaccines or antibiotics.

CelticBomber wrote:

Cured smallpox....
Cured polio....

No cure for the flu but they have a shot every year that might prevent you from getting the flu but, it might not. I wonder if they are working on a cure.

(
I sympathize with your profit defense. I work will big oil, natural gas, and electric utilities. Even the big pharma fans are mad when we make money.)

HockeyDad wrote:

I promised myself that I wouldn't take threads like this seriously anymore but I DO have one question.

Have they done an unbiased study (not funded by Pharma, the FDA, or CDC) on the number of casualties from the flu- vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated? Since they've practically sold out, er, run out of serum, they should have a good database of vaccinated participants vs the unvaccinated portion of the population. This should give us a good feel for it's effectiveness and whether or not it exarcerbated/worsened symptoms or caused death when it was introduced.

bloody spaniard wrote:

Who would pay for this study if not the three you listed? You also imply (or is it inferred) that studies funded by the FDA &/or CDC can’t be unbiased.[sarcasm]

Buckwheat wrote:

I promised myself that I wouldn't take threads like this seriously anymore but I DO have one question.

Have they done an unbiased study (not funded by Pharma, the FDA, or CDC) on the number of casualties from the flu- vaccinated vs. non-vaccinated? Since they've practically sold out, er, run out of serum, they should have a good database of vaccinated participants vs the unvaccinated portion of the population. This should give us a good feel for it's effectiveness and whether or not it exarcerbated/worsened symptoms or caused death when it was introduced.

bloody spaniard wrote:

There was a time when vaccine's and antibiotics didn't exist. When family's would have 8 children and be considered lucky if two made it to adulthood.

CelticBomber wrote:

Lol, "pre-history" ??

Isn't the stuff that happened before history just more history?

Maybe the stuff that happened in the 1600's was pre-history to the stuff that happened in the 1700's....... no.....I know I've heard that called history too........

#-o

knokmdwn wrote:

Lol, "pre-history" ??

Isn't the stuff that happened before history just more history?

Maybe the stuff that happened in the 1600's was pre-history to the stuff that happened in the 1700's....... no.....I know I've heard that called history too........

#-o

knokmdwn wrote:

Who would pay for this study if not the three you listed? You also imply (or is it inferred) that studies funded by the FDA &/or CDC can’t be unbiased.[sarcasm]

Buckwheat wrote:

you morons know Flu Shots arem only 60% effective in a good year,,,

wheelrite wrote: