bloody spaniard
13 years ago

All of the above created and perpetuated primarily by private industry with a vested interest in continuing the practice, not backed by hard science, and milk is soothing for ulcers...it just doesn't treat the problem (it is a virus).

The healthcare industry, the CDC, and almost every doctor on the planet doesn't have a vested interest in promoting vaccinations, a group of pharmaceutical companies do. While the early inclusion of mercury as a preservative in some vaccinations was probably a poor choice, it overall hasn't effected the overall positive impact of the program. The numbers prove over and over that vaccinations in EVERY form saves lives. The reason we have the luxury of having this debate is because the program has been so successful at reducing the impact of disease on our society (it is called "herd immunity") to such an extent that those who choose not to vaccinate themselves (i.e. play Russian Roulette) have to date been lucky because the vaccinations are doing their job.

I am vaccinated for everything that I can be and so are my children...I will live through the next epidemic, I hope you and yours do too...

SMGBobbyScott wrote:





Old wive's tale (or junk science) about milk--- treatment for ulcers typically involves antibiotics to kill the H. pylori bacterium and other medications to reduce the level of acid in your digestive system. Gastric ulcers are eroded lesions in the esophagus, stomach or duodenum lining, most likely a result of H.pylori bacteria infection and inflammation. Milk does more harm than good. While coating the stomach lining, which in theory should help, milk, which is officially declared an alkaline- forming food, also steps up the production of stomach acids due to it's cell killing fats which diminish supply of nourishment to cells due to clogged capillaries AND its protein which when digested, produces uric acid.

This is why milk will ultimately worsen, rather than heal, gastric pain and ulcers. End of story.




As far as, the herd inoculation theory protecting the few that go unvaccinated, it's been neither proven nor disproven. I suppose the more you repeat an opinion, the more it becomes "fact".

I'll grant you this, vaccines MAY save some lives BUT the number of lives it destroys is ultimately much higher. What I mean by that, is that some lives saved by limited exposure to a pandemic's disease virus is far supplanted IMHO by the incalculably larger numbers of people (and especially children) killed, injured, & maimed (immunological problems ranging from birth defects to childhood asthma & diabetes) by the injections. Much of its effects may take place years down the road when you are least likely to make the connection to the culprit. I too, hope that you and yours survive the next epidemic. Just make sure that you have assisted living insurance if your dementia kicks in while in your 50's. Me? I'd rather be dead than part of the ever increasing "living dead" time bombs.

Don't despair with me & others like me. We were once among the many sheep like you who willingly lined up to receive our shots & swallow the lie. Despite the ever increasing number of damaged children since the 90's with learning difficulties and other developmental diseases, we also meant no harm to ourselves and others...

I will refrain from commenting further on the mostly junk science based & money- driven vaccine program which will be disproven some day IMO. Unfortunately, too late for many. Let's agree to disagree. I've fought this fight many times- too many times, & am no longer interested in dissuading people who blindly obey their doctor gods.

God bless & good luck.
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago
I stand corrected on the H. pylori...it is a bacterium, not a virus...I knew that and mis-spoke because I knew it could be treated with antibiotics. As for the milk, it provides short term relief by reducing the ph level in your stomach...nothing more.

As for the other, I'm sorry that you feel that way...the comparisons of countries that do versus don't immunize should generally dispel an doubt that anyone would have...particularly in children, but even with the flu the numbers of deaths and related reactions is noticeably lower...I'm not a "doctor god" but I can read statistics pretty well.

God Bless you as well...
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
Thank you, brother. I re-read my post & hope I didn't come across too insulting. I have a strange sense of humor. lol
If I'm proven wrong, I will gladly be your shoe shiner/errand boy for eternity in the next life.#-o
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

Thank you, brother. I re-read my post & hope I didn't come across too insulting. I have a strange sense of humor. lol
If I'm proven wrong, I will gladly be your shoe shiner/errand boy for eternity in the next life.#-o

bloody spaniard wrote:



LOL!!! No need, I'm guessing that we will both be wrong on enough stuff to keep us busy in the afterlife...shesh my list is already a mile long!

[-o<
skillett
13 years ago
got mine last fall when I was supposed to, kinda common sense, if you know what i mean?
bloody spaniard
13 years ago
^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! [frypan]


LOL!!! No need, I'm guessing that we will both be wrong on enough stuff to keep us busy in the afterlife...shesh my list is already a mile long!

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SMGBobbyScott wrote:





So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! [frypan]






So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!

bloody spaniard wrote:



Sign me up!
dkeage
13 years ago

^ Hey, Skillet. Say hi to Bubba, LeRoy, & Lamont! [frypan]






So, so true, Bobby. A while back, an old botl friend of mine (long since banned) & I were comparing notes on our misdeeds & wondering if heaven could use a few squeegee people with mops & buckets. LOL!

bloody spaniard wrote:





Wigz....🍺
JTokash
13 years ago
Yep, nothing bad ever happens to people who get the flu shot... nope never... except these 800 people:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/22/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-link-to-gsk-swine-flu-shot/ 
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago

Yep, nothing bad ever happens to people who get the flu shot... nope never... except these 800 people:

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2013/01/22/insight-evidence-grows-for-narcolepsy-link-to-gsk-swine-flu-shot/ 

JTokash wrote:



Oh yeah, 800 out of 30 million and the American version didn't include the ingredient that supposedly caused the problem....but okey dokey!!!
JTokash
13 years ago
Baaa baaa go the sheep.
victor809
13 years ago
It's stuff like this that makes me wonder if people have a rational grasp of numbers (well, this and the lottery)....
The odds we're talking about in the study are 0.0026% of the total individuals given that shot.

I do think that there's a possibility that the side effect is real. But it's also something that would never be detected in clinical trials.... the rate of effect is so low.

This may not make some of you feel safer, but clinical trials are not going to catch a side effect with that low a rate of occurrence, for any drug. Especially if the side effect is as ambiguous as narcolepsy, and particularly if it requires some time to develop.

If you're going to allow the fear of something with this low a probability of occurrence to dictate your use of a drug, then I would recommend not taking anything.... ever... or be prepared to pay absolutely ridiculous amounts of money for your drugs (and I mean WAY more ridiculous than they currently are). You just can't test to that level.

In fact, if that's your required level of security, I would recommend not flying either... There is an acceptable "failure rate" in parts/systems for airplanes as well. they test to a certain level. It's understood that given enough planes in the air enough hours, things will fail occasionally.
jackconrad
13 years ago
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I got one and all my poopies is Green now !
SMGBobbyScott
13 years ago
Six Sigma or 1 per 1,000,000 flights is the estimated "critical" failure rate the last I heard...there are certainly more than that and the mitigation usually prevents death even in those cases but that is the current level of rigor in plane flight as I understand it.
ZRX1200
13 years ago
Yeah all chance the eugenist Bill Gates gave those lucky people in India those great shots.
Homebrew
13 years ago

There are also anti-viral meds, which if taken within 24-48 hours of onset, lessen the severity and/or reduce the intensity.

rfenst wrote:


I am also violently allergic, to anti virals. I had the swine flu a few years back. The doctor put me on anti-virals within a couple of hours, I was head to toe hives. Even my tongue itched. And no I do not take a flu shot. That case of the Swine Flu, was the first time I have had the flu, in 20 years. There were a couple of times that I thought I had the flu, but it turned out to be strep.

Dave (A.K.A. Homebrew)
JTokash
13 years ago
Victor,

I understand statistics quite well, having math classes at the 600 level during my Ph.D. Honestly I don't care if the rate of side effects is 1:1,000,000,000 I'm still not getting shot up with anything... I don't get sick enough to worry about it.
victor809
13 years ago

Victor,

I understand statistics quite well, having math classes at the 600 level during my Ph.D. Honestly I don't care if the rate of side effects is 1:1,000,000,000 I'm still not getting shot up with anything... I don't get sick enough to worry about it.

JTokash wrote:



If you undertand the low incidences of the study, why would you allow that to impact your choice?
I fully understand not getting the shot. I don't get sick generally, so getting the flu shot is at the bottom of a huge "to do" list. It'll be decades before I get around to it, and it's offered at work. But whether or not it has a very low incidence of side effects isn't really going to sway my choice. The odds are too low.

There are reasons to get a shot, there are reasons not to. I'm fine either way.
bloody spaniard
13 years ago

If you undertand the low incidences of the study, why would you allow that to impact your choice?
I fully understand not getting the shot. I don't get sick generally, so getting the flu shot is at the bottom of a huge "to do" list. It'll be decades before I get around to it, and it's offered at work. But whether or not it has a very low incidence of side effects isn't really going to sway my choice. The odds are too low.

There are reasons to get a shot, there are reasons not to. I'm fine either way.

victor809 wrote:





You don't know that. Jtokash was being a gentleman.
I've never seen a vaccine study where the results weren't skewed, such as by age of test audience, frequency, amounts and/or quality of serum. Depends on what results are desired from the targeted audience- the test's funder will make the numbers fit into their agenda if they have a vested interest.

Give me three vaccine studies that support your numbers and I'll find the flaws if I have time.

Shiite, I promised myself I wouldn't bite.
Abrignac
13 years ago

You don't know that. Jtokash was being a gentleman.
I've never seen a vaccine study where the results weren't skewed, such as by age of test audience, frequency, amounts and/or quality of serum. Depends on what results are desired from the targeted audience- the test's funder will make the numbers fit into their agenda if they have a vested interest.

Give me three vaccine studies that support your numbers and I'll find the flaws if I have time.

Shiite, I promised myself I wouldn't bite.

bloody spaniard wrote:




It took an incredible amount of restraint or me.
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