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DBIII
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#21

Hmmmm, interesting responses. Cac and I were discussing this the other night. I bought a box of Anejo 46's a year or so back and had a person or 2, that I gifted some to, tell me they were starting to get a lil mold. My tower is kept right around 65 all the time, figured it had to do with the cedar. Guess I'm a foo el. I do keep all of my coffins, tubos, and foil wraps though and have never had a problem......maybe the Anejo were over humidified from the retailer I ordered them from. Carry on

cacman
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

12 years ago

#22

Well don't I look like the fool?

IDK?? Have encountered this situation with a number of different cigars from a number of different vendors, including those gifted/received in passes. Struggle to hold a 62-65% rH in humis/cooledors kept in a heated garage. Could it have to do with the cedar sleeve itself (spores attaching to it) and not the humidity at all? Everything else that's naked in inventory is resting just fine and without issue.

I'm a firm believer in "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" and all. But metal tubes I will crack the seal. I have no idea what condition they where packaged at, or what they experienced during shipping more importantly, or what condition they arrive in. Never had anything in a glass tube but if it's closed with a cork stopper isn't it porous - like wine?? IMHO it's an interesting discussion. My apologies for looking for answers.

knokmdwn
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#23

cacman wrote:

Carl, no appologies necessary to me brother....and I don't think you look like a fool with the post. It is an interesting topic but IMHO there are far too many brothers and sisters out there that loose sight of the bigger issue.

Agreed that possibly any cigar could have mold spores on cedar or something else but again, that's an issue of rh and temp from whomever you obtained the sticks from. Just for discussion sake, I too remove all metal caps from tubes and just leave the cigar in the tube without the cap on. Then if I take it somewhere or gift it or the like, I replace the cap. I've got a small 20 ct that is just full of caps. There are many metal tubed cigars out there that have cedar inside the tube also!
The glass tubes are sealed but yes, they breathe through the cork. I honestly don't know about the waxed ones (like the Gurkha's). That would be interesting to find out. Where's Gerbil when you need him?!!

Remember that cigars don't give off humidity into the open air nearly as fast as most everyone thinks.....unless of course you are in AZ and it's 115 outside. As long as the rh in the cigar is decent and not too moist, and the temp environment is decent and not too hot, all will be good and 99% of your cigars will equalize with the inside of your humi without issue.

knokmdwn
Herf-A-Holic

12 years ago

#24

I just figured out the glass tubes and wax seal thing. All the Gurkha's are hermedically sealed with the moisture from the thighs of 21 year old virgins in the old county. That's why those things are some damnnn expensive....it's hard to find the virgins!!!

[sarcasm]

stingray
Aficionado

12 years ago

#25

If you leave them on you won't have to add the oil to get that cedar flavor.

triodes
Aficionado

12 years ago

#26

Well don't I look like the fool?.....I'm a firm believer in "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" and all...My apologies for looking for answers.

cacman wrote:

Nothing wrong with questioning conventional wisdom and choosing your own path.

I have had questions here that others laughed at, and I'm not so sure that the ones laughing weren't the ones that should be laughed at.

Tinfoil and cedar sleeves are excellent examples.

While tinfoil _may_ benefit for the whole box, such as cazadores IMO tinfoil on individual cigars can easily be detrimental to consistent humidification issues as I have experienced with the Honey and Hand Grenades which led me to pull the tinfoil from them all.

I will note that no CC is currently produced that uses tinfoil, although the Cazadores box in tinfoil.

Cedar sleeves do seem to impart a flavor, so there may be a benefit for some. However, I want my cigars to taste like tobacco and don't care for any cedar flavoring.

Even so, I am now leaning more and more that "leaving them as the manuf delivers them" may mean the same thing as "maintain the marketing device that the produces the image that the manufacturer wants."

You don't look like a fool to me, but then I have never been concerned about taking an approach that is different than the norm.

Edited by user 12 years ago | Reason: Not specified

illinichaser
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#27

I'd consider a few of these guys experts. . .

Palama
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#28

I'd consider a few of these guys experts. . .

illinichaser wrote:

Yup.

Thanks for bringing this back up. After re-reading the responses, thinking of taking the cedar off of a couple or 3 Anejos #46s, letting them rest nekked for 6 months or so and then doing a taste comparison to see if there's any difference.

tonygraz
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#29

knokmdwn wrote:

charliebarr
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#30

I thought you supposed to smoke that chit...cedar tones?

How do you post voters?just curious??

Edited by user 11 years ago | Reason: Not specified

twink
Aficionado

11 years ago

#31

tonygraz wrote:

no just hard to find a sucker for advertizements.

wluffman
Rookie

11 years ago

#32

I'm too lazy to remove the cedar wrap, or even the cello, from a bunch of cigars all at once. Besides, a little extra Spanish cedar aroma never hurts, and that wrap-around Spanish cedar might even help the wrapper's RH equalize all over. If the maker thinks a paper-thin sheet of SC is a good idea, who am I to dispute this? I undress them -- cello, cedar and bands -- one at a time as I smoke them.

Palama
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#33

Found some mold spots on a few #46s last night. Not too happy with finding them but glad I found out before it got worse.

cacman
Herf-A-Holic Topic Starter

11 years ago

#34

Found some mold spots on a few #46s last night. Not too happy with finding them but glad I found out before it got worse.

Palama wrote:

That is the exact same cigar box purchase that started this post last March. Hopefully they weren't something I sent. Short-term memory prohibits, but it's been awhile - I think.

Love the Añejos, but always remove the cello (OCD kicks in so I always save them in case of a road trip). But have also experienced this with other cedar-wrapped cigars including other Fuente's, Hoyo's, etc.

Did you experience a taste difference Conan? #28

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Palama
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#35

Smoked fine tonight but gonna keep the others that had mold totally separate from everything else. I didn't check the ones you sent but will now...as well as every other Anejo I have. Lesson learned and glad It wasn't a bigger issue. Bringing this thread up definitely saved a lot of disappoint later. Thanks Cac and Illini.

Edit: the two you sent are fine, it's the ones I got from a couple other vendors that had the mold.

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Buckwheat
Herf-A-Holic

11 years ago

#36

Not sure why, but I usually leave a cigar the way it is packaged (cello, cedar, foil, tube) until I smoke it, including the ones in the coffins, even though they take up so much space.

delta1 wrote:

+1,000,000

There is a reason that they package them these ways. I did try to let cigars in tubes breath for a day or two prior to smoking them. I still have several partial cabs & dress boxes of cigars that I keep. Helps with knowing the codes, etc... on the cigars. To hell with the space they take up. Buy a bigger cooler if you have this problem. 🌫

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