gryphonms
12 years ago
Look it up in the dictionary, any one you want. You will find the term considered derogatory. You may, but I do not find Glen Beck to be a reliable source of information.
sd72
12 years ago
Did Indians write the dictionary?
gryphonms
12 years ago
Do you find Glen Beck factual and logical?
shaun341
12 years ago
I love red skin potatoes
sd72
12 years ago
I'm not sure who he is. So neither.

Unless Webster, or Merriman were native Americans, I can't accept their opinion on what Indians think of a word. Stop casting your moral values on others, do you think you're the government or something.
sd72
12 years ago
Professor Luvell Anderson of the University of Memphis, in his paper "Slurring Words", argues that for a word to be a slur, the word must communicate ideas beyond identifying a target group, and that, slurs are offensive because the additional data contained in those words differentiates those individuals from otherwise accepted groups.

Are Indians not an accepted group in this country? We name sports teams after them for Christs sake.
tailgater
12 years ago

I moved from Atlanta to just outside Boston in 1973 in the middle of their "Bus Riots" ....

I remember scratching my head as I grew up in the middle of the civil rights era, and I was shocked to learn Yankees were this bent out of shape about the bussing situation.

jetblasted wrote:



You're a parent in Boston, in the early 70's.
You move to a decent neighborhood that has a decent school system for your kids.
You probably have to sacrifice somewhat just to live there, but it's the right thing to do.
There are no buses. Everyone walks. Because that school is for that neighborhood.

Then you learn that half the kids will be bused out to a school further away. A school that is known to be poor academically. And half the kids at that school will be bused in to your neighborhood school where you thought your kid would attend, and is the reason you sacrificed to move there.

Take away race, and you see concerned parents fighting the bureaucracy of a short sighted ruling.
The Roxbury school system is underfunded. No books. Few permanent teachers. Lack of desks and basic supplies. The problem might have been solved by removing the racially motivated school committee and channeling funds into the poorer schools. Instead, the students at both schools are forced into a racial storm front and education takes a back seat to politics.

I make no apologies for the bigotry that ensued. It's shameful and worthy of scorn and contempt. But it only became a racial issue because that was where the socioeconomic dividing line was drawn. The lowest common denominator. And it grew into real racism. But beneath this ugly moniker it began as a group of parents trying to do what was best for their kids.

Put yourself in the place of those parents.
There is more to this slice of history than just color.
Gene363
12 years ago

The intent of busing schoolkids did afford the disadvantaged a better chance at an education. The law of unintended consequences had other ideas, and so began the dumbing down of the US education system.

IMO, this idea that some children* learn differently or need special treatment is used as an excuse to let them flounder. If you expect more, you will get more. This is exactly why the children of so many immigrant families do so much better than native born children. Their parents make them study. Children without a proper caring family are typically going to struggle to keep up.

* I am talking about average children, not special needs children.

kombat96
12 years ago
I find this topic offensive .
shaun341
12 years ago
We would put you in the average children category not special needs dinkbat.
frankj1
12 years ago

You're a parent in Boston, in the early 70's.
You move to a decent neighborhood that has a decent school system for your kids.
You probably have to sacrifice somewhat just to live there, but it's the right thing to do.
There are no buses. Everyone walks. Because that school is for that neighborhood.

Then you learn that half the kids will be bused out to a school further away. A school that is known to be poor academically. And half the kids at that school will be bused in to your neighborhood school where you thought your kid would attend, and is the reason you sacrificed to move there.

Take away race, and you see concerned parents fighting the bureaucracy of a short sighted ruling.
The Roxbury school system is underfunded. No books. Few permanent teachers. Lack of desks and basic supplies. The problem might have been solved by removing the racially motivated school committee and channeling funds into the poorer schools. Instead, the students at both schools are forced into a racial storm front and education takes a back seat to politics.

I make no apologies for the bigotry that ensued. It's shameful and worthy of scorn and contempt. But it only became a racial issue because that was where the socioeconomic dividing line was drawn. The lowest common denominator. And it grew into real racism. But beneath this ugly moniker it began as a group of parents trying to do what was best for their kids.

Put yourself in the place of those parents.
There is more to this slice of history than just color.

tailgater wrote:


pretty good summary of the events. surprised you're old enough to recall it so accurately.

equal funding could have kept kids in the neighborhood their families chose, racial balance throughout the city's school system would not have been the goal had the local schools all offered equality in education and opportunity....though another story entirely is how those Boston neighborhoods became so racially/ethnically divided, knowing that history would make the existence of a racist school committee easy to understand. A mortgage story for another day...

TG, neither of us nor any our contemporaries need apologize for that era. Those that want to disparage one of the greatest cities in the world will find reason rather than exploring with open minds.
HockeyDad
12 years ago
It is still surprising that Boston didn't fight on the side of the confederacy.
gryphonms
12 years ago
TG, your post completly makes sense. I think there was an additional element to the problem. When 2 completely different groups of students are artificially forced to blend together tension and violence will escalate due to fear from both sides.
gryphonms
12 years ago
Drafter, if American Indians are not offended by the name no one should be including me. SD if American Indians do not find the name derogatory no one else should including me.
tailgater
12 years ago

It is still surprising that Boston didn't fight on the side of the confederacy.

HockeyDad wrote:



No, but the Dukes of Hazard was the top rated show up here 3 years running.

tailgater
12 years ago
Frank,
It's an event that interested me when I was still a student, and I had done some basic research for papers, etc.
Then in more recent years, our local districts entered into a "School Choice" program, which prompted me to read up further because many of the same issues hold true.

So yes, I am too young to remember this.
But even if I had, the media reports that I've seen from that time frame do little to explain how it began. Instead they relish in the aftermath.



teedubbya
12 years ago

No, but the Dukes of Hazard was the top rated show up here 3 years running.

tailgater wrote:




So while you sheltered in place waiting for the police to force you from your home so they could search your home and frisk you, you spent your free time watching cooter?
tailgater
12 years ago

So while you sheltered in place waiting for the police to force you from your home so they could search your home and frisk you, you spent your free time watching cooter?

teedubbya wrote:



Even the conspiracy theorists have dropped the home invasion routine.
What happen? Getting frustrated because somebody else doesn't like (I mean understand) soccer? Getting you hot under the collar?
And Roscoe was the sultry one. Get it right.

teedubbya
12 years ago
Shelter in place with forced removal and frisk didn't really happen? It was a conspiracy theory?
DrafterX
12 years ago

Shelter in place with forced removal and frisk didn't really happen? It was a conspiracy theory?

teedubbya wrote:




pretty much... kinda like the Holocaust.... 😟
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