In Mo'sMan's defence, he isn't racist or promoting Hitler's actions. He just hasn't stated his argument and defense very clearly.

He's trying in a roundabout way to prove that there are absolute truths, rights and wrongs, given by god, that govern our morals. He is attempting to prove that ethics cannot be arbitrarily chosen by majority or by force, and along the way proposing that human ethics and morals can't possibly have evolved naturally.

He also rebuts every disputing opinion with the fact that the writer can't prove it based on hard evidence (which is generally valid), thinking that by default his opinion is therefore shown to be true (which is not valid). Remember the epistomology thread?

Mo'sMan, did I represent your objectives correctly? Just trying to get the thread bad on track....

Whether anyone, here is a racist, I don't know. Internet BBSs are filled with rhetoric, often spewed to generate controversy. The reality is, however, the most virulent white supremacists believe they are not racists. Their mantra is, "I am not a racist! Prove that I am a racist. Show me where I said I was a racist....etc....etc."

White supremacists in the United States wholeheartedly believe in social separation of the races. They claim that natural selection and New Testament authority gives credance to a theory that stratifies the races, with Caucasians at the top the list. They have no idea that their little group of Brethren or Annointed or Christian Patriots is nothing more than another hate group. They can deny and rationalize, but they are nothing more than patheic racists.

we all know what he was trying to bait people to do...that was obvious from the beginning. We just didn't fall for it and he decided to get angry and call people names.

lukin......still singling out?

seve.......I clarified, repeatedly, now use your head........if you dare for once.

maybe, though, instead of throwing your weight around, you'd be interested ina ctually interacting? Why is it wrong to be a racist?

is that a serious question? "why is it wrong to be a racist?"

it's wrong to me because i say it is. i believe it is, therefore it is wrong. you may believe differently. does that make you wrong? no. it makes us disagree on that issue. this is the point i've been trying to make. there is no absolute right and wrong. right and wrong only exist in the mind of the individual. society doesn't dictate what is right and wrong, only what is acceptable and unacceptable. those decision happen to be a culmination of the collective rights and wrongs of the community. i'm trying really hard to be as clear as possible, but i just don't feel i'm getting through.

mo'sman, you're trying to get me to say that the holocaust was wrong. to me, it was. to those performing the killings, it may not have been. right and wrong are not absolute. morals are not absolute. does this help any?

lofty, then we have a problem. How do we dictate laws that are to be enforced?

Mo,

I think SteveR has you pegged just as I do.

Now will you answer the question? You've been dodging it for far too long.

adroomi, not until you offer evidence your accusation is true. Otherwise, I have no reason to care what a communist, racist, child molester like you thinks of me.

Not until I offer evidence? My God man, how much more evidence do you need?

Besides, you've said a couple times that you already answered it.....were you lying?

How hard is it to simply state whether or not you hate these groups?

The real you is quite evident.

Go ahead, call me the names you want to, I'll even admit that they are true if you put all your facts that lead you to this claim in your response. In fact, that's a good mission for you...........you've called me some names to re-direct the conversation so you don't have to admit hating minorities, go ahead and offer your evidence.

I'm waiting.

no evidence......go figure. Just as I figured. Another twelve year old on their parents computer.