banderl
Saturday, August 22, 2015 12:22:59 PM
Maybe his hands are getting soft from being married to whatever her name is.

She probably makes him wear gloves over his lotioned hands, like Curly from "Of mice and men".

frankj1
Saturday, August 22, 2015 12:37:25 PM

Maybe his hands are getting soft from being married to whatever her name is.

She probably makes him wear gloves over his lotioned hands, like Curly from "Of mice and men".

banderl wrote:

Bridget was sooo much sweeter.

tailgater
Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:54:37 PM

I tend to wait before determining guilt or innocence. In this case I drew my conclusion following the wells report and the subsequent follow up documents. I've been around the press long enough to avoid that mess.

I never drew a conclusion on the appropriateness of the punishment until very recently when I decided it's a bit much.

You assume way to much.

teedubbya wrote:

So let's start over.

You agree with the "science" in the Wells report?

Then why did they believe Walt Anderson when he said the balls were measured to be 12.5 psi pregame. But chose to NOT believe him when he said he used the gauge with the logo?

Also, the Wells report dismisses any wrongdoing or knowledge by Belichick. So do you believe he's not guilty and didn't know (assuming there is a crime)?

And what about the refs pumping up the ball to 16 psi for the October Jets game? Didn't it seem strange that the report found Brady "guilty" but gave the refs a pass?

And why didn't any of the texts to/from the equipment manager and ballboy come from (or to) Brady himself?

And why didn't the Wells report contain any of the testimony from the multiple interviews with the equipment manager or ballboy?

And how could the league possibly have "no time" to measure more than 4 of the Colts footballs? They claim the ball boy deflated 11 balls in 90 seconds, but they can't measure all the Colts balls during a full half time? Even after they found 3 of the 4 to be below the 12.0 lower limit?

No sir. That report wouldn't convince even an imbecile that the Pats did anything wrong on that day. Heck, the judge already said as much even though that's not his job.

The NFL needed the momentum of guilt that was seeded from their leak to Mortenson. Without the preconceived notion that Brady did something, that report could only conclude that it proves nothing.

One man's opinion, to be certain. But one who is looking at specific facts as detailed in the report. The conclusions simply don't match.

Maybe Brady did it. Maybe he's the only QB in the history of the NFL to realize the huge advantage that a low psi provides. But there is no evidence outside of a faulty report that supports this notion.

teedubbya
Sunday, August 23, 2015 10:49:57 AM
Lol.
Whistlebritches
Sunday, August 23, 2015 12:35:12 PM
I cannot believe this is still ongoing.Yes I am a Pats fan.......however I have not let that fact cloud my judgement.If this were about the Cowboys,Romo and JJ...........my most hated team,I'd still be in their corner.Believe me supporting JJ would be a tough one but this is entire deflategate accusation,investigation,punishment has been nothing but Goodell bullschit.To begin with it was supposed to be a $50,000 fine.......per ball,per event don't **** know don't **** care.Goodell blew this way out of proportion and Without solid facts made himself judge,juror and executioner.IMHO this tainted his career way more than anyone else's.I cannot even imagine anyone in the league having a smidgen of confidence in this clowns leadership.

For the haters...........You and I both know if this accusation were against let's say the Raiders,Jags or Jets this would've been the simple 50k fine and forgotten long ago.If you cannot at least admit this you are biased beyond recovery.......and I pray you never become a judge or juror.

ZRX1200
Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:12:35 PM
LMMFPWAO
Whistlebritches
Sunday, August 23, 2015 4:23:37 PM

LMMFPWAO

ZRX1200 wrote:

Ok......I buy the PW'd part.

tailgater
Monday, August 24, 2015 12:43:14 PM

Lol.

teedubbya wrote:

I speak in generalities and I'm told that I make too many assumptions.

So I give very specific details and instead of discussion I get LOL.

At least Z doesn't hide his hatred for everything Patriots.

You claim to be unbiased, but then choke when confronted with specifics.

I wish I could say I'm surprised.

tailgater
Monday, August 24, 2015 12:44:24 PM

LMMFPWCAO

ZRX1200 wrote:

laugh my mutha f'ing Patriots World Champion azz off?

ZRX1200
Monday, August 24, 2015 12:45:58 PM
You know I hate the Packer too.

Difference is I have nothing but respect for their organization.

frankj1
Monday, August 24, 2015 1:24:00 PM

You know I hate the Packer too.

Difference is I have nothing but respect for their organization.

ZRX1200 wrote:

Rodgers has said he prefers over inflated balls, makes it so they will carry further and more accurately on long bombs than legally inflated balls.

ZRX1200
Monday, August 24, 2015 2:44:41 PM
If anyone knows balls, it's Brady and Aaron.
banderl
Monday, August 24, 2015 4:14:52 PM
Cu ntler doesn't even know what a pair of balls looks like.
Whistlebritches
Monday, August 24, 2015 4:24:21 PM

Cu ntler doesn't even know what a pair of balls looks like.

banderl wrote:

Now that's damn funny

frankj1
Monday, August 24, 2015 6:06:55 PM

If anyone knows balls, it's Brady and Aaron.

ZRX1200 wrote:

when you're right, you're right.

fiddler898
Thursday, September 3, 2015 10:35:38 AM
So while the haters waste their time hating,

Patriots fans are busy celebrating...

tailgater
Thursday, September 3, 2015 1:19:13 PM
Tidbit # 1,002:

Goodell said the league will appeal the suspension.

For the "integrity of the game" and the "competitive fairness".

Hmmm?

First, the 4 game suspension was because of "League Integrity". Brady cheated. We know it. He gets 4 games.

then when the judge asked to provide evidence, Goodell said the punishment was because "Brady did not cooperate" and smashed his phone. I guess Roger didn't read the $5MM Wells Report where Ted Wells said Brady cooperated completely.

Now, the league will appeal.

Not because of the cooperation, but we're back to that integrity thingy.

Makes you dizzy.

We'll hear from the haterz as soon as Chris Mortenson tells them how to respond.

frankj1
Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:23:31 PM
did everyone leave?
tonygraz
Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:47:10 PM
The Pat fans are out celebrating, the haters are drinking themselves to sleep. I'm here cause I don't care.
frankj1
Thursday, September 3, 2015 7:59:42 PM

Tidbit # 1,002:

We'll hear from the haterz as soon as Chris Mortenson tells them how to respond.

tailgater wrote:

actually Joe, it's likely a high percentage of those convinced The Pats and/or Brady did something against the rules formed that opinion based on one of two reasons:

they already hated Brady/The Pats and wished it were so (when a youngster, I would have wished evil like that be true if it was, say, the Yankees accused. But certainly not as a mature being). They need to grow up, if only so one can enjoy having enjoyable sports debates with them.

or

what you imply...they formed an immediate opinion when Mortenson's inaccurate report was released and never felt the need to know more.

If only the NFL had swiftly denied what Mortenson said they had discovered (11 of 12 balls were 2 full lbs below lower legal limit!) which turned out to be incredibly damaging and off the charts false. Makes me wonder if it was purposely planted and Mortenson was played by the league.

In the long run, what may end up having a far bigger impact on the NFL than if Brady is ever punished or not (and why I thought they would settle with TB) is the ripple effect this may have on how the CBA is interpreted in the future...not so much the black on white printed words (yes, black on white is the correct expression) that seem to allow the Commish crazy power, but whether or not even granting him said power allows him to abandon "normal" convention leading to potential abuses, as we have seen with his mockery of Brady's appeal process.

That seems to be what the judge decided, helped along by the inability of the now admitted non-independent Wells Investigation to prove a crime at all, never mind Brady's role. Innocence is not what was decided today, but lack of proving a crime even occurred played a huge role in Berman's decision.