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9 years ago
You mean promising things the president can't do without a phone and a pen?
dstieger
9 years ago

I didn't vote for him. And I honestly think he's an idiot. More importantly, his campaign built on fear and xenophobia says lot about who he was trying to attract as supporters.

He willingly and frequently lied to his own supporters, promising things his presidency didn't have the power to accomplish, and providing vague hyperbole rather than specifics.

Make no mistake, he has the house and the Senate now. His supporters should hold his feet to the fire. There is no reason he can't give them everything he promised. No one is there to stand in his way.

I know the US will be fine. This isn't the end of the world. It's a sad reflection on a lot of hate that people seem to have held. But America will be fine. Odds are those most hurt by a Trump presidency will be those who voted for him. I'll be fine. Probably better off.

But I hope he does better than he promised he would. I hope that when actual problems face him he won't treat them the same way he's treated adversity on the campaign trail (poorly and unpresidentially). We will see.

But if things go south, the Republicans have no one to blame but themselves.

victor809 wrote:



I didn't vote for him either; but I don't honestly think he's an idiot. I don't think he could have gotten as far in business as he has, if were a fool. I do think that he lost control of his mouth all too often, and even when you're playing the non-politician...well, he should have known how things were going to be construed....even if he generally works from hyperbole.

I worry most about your comment about the hate. I heard some rather scary commentary the past 12 hours along the same lines. I think that there was a good-sized basket of deplorables out there singing his praises, but I also think it is dangerous or stupid to paint the movement/groundswell/Trumpers....etc with such a broad brush. He may have used some trailer rhetoric and low denominator language to get the votes, but I know full well that the vast majority of those that voted for him are NOT turned on by the hatred or antagonistic fear, xenophobia, etc.
Christie aside, he's liable to surround himself with some level-headed quality people.

That's not to say that I don't think he's capable of blowing up a boat or plane of some country that pisses him off...but I think that if cooler heads can prevail for the next few weeks, he'll possibly be a better uniter than a divider
dstieger
9 years ago
http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501382685/novelist-adds-fresh-perspective-to-election-result-spin 

This is one of the voices that I found particularly disturbing this morning.


I'm paraphrasing, but not exaggerating; "Trump voters/supporters, by definition, are racist"

She's entitled to her opinion, but wtf?
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

He willingly and frequently lied to his own supporters, promising things his presidency didn't have the power to accomplish, and providing vague hyperbole rather than specifics.

victor809 wrote:



Why I never...President Obama NEVER had to stoop such lows!
opelmanta1900
9 years ago

I didn't vote for him either; but I don't honestly think he's an idiot. I don't think he could have gotten as far in business as he has, if were a fool. I do think that he lost control of his mouth all too often, and even when you're playing the non-politician...well, he should have known how things were going to be construed....even if he generally works from hyperbole.

I worry most about your comment about the hate. I heard some rather scary commentary the past 12 hours along the same lines. I think that there was a good-sized basket of deplorables out there singing his praises, but I also think it is dangerous or stupid to paint the movement/groundswell/Trumpers....etc with such a broad brush. He may have used some trailer rhetoric and low denominator language to get the votes, but I know full well that the vast majority of those that voted for him are NOT turned on by the hatred or antagonistic fear, xenophobia, etc.
Christie aside, he's liable to surround himself with some level-headed quality people.

That's not to say that I don't think he's capable of blowing up a boat or plane of some country that pisses him off...but I think that if cooler heads can prevail for the next few weeks, he'll possibly be a better uniter than a divider

dstieger wrote:



well said...
teedubbya
9 years ago

Why I never...President Obama NEVER had to stoop such lows!

DrMaddVibe wrote:




If you hated that, which you should, I'm sure you also hate it when someone else does it.
DrafterX
9 years ago
no... just Hillary and Obama... 😟
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

If you hated that, which you should, I'm sure you also hate it when someone else does it.

teedubbya wrote:





Yeah.

Hope & Change.
teedubbya
9 years ago

no... just Hillary and Obama... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



^ this is the lack of change I believe in
victor809
9 years ago
DMV, he literally said to his supporters that he wasn't one of the politicians from Washington who lie to get votes.... while promising hyperbolic and impossible things... it was such cognitive dissonance I practically got a nosebleed.

But, that's that.

The trump supporters aren't all racists. I'm not tail, so I don't generalize wide swathes open our population. Just because you go to the grocery store with the Klan doesn't make you a racist. But you're still getting in a car with a bunch of guys wearing white hoods.
teedubbya
9 years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXm-lEovgRs

Yeah.

Hope & Change.

DrMaddVibe wrote:




As I said you should hate that.... and when others do it to.
teedubbya
9 years ago

DMV, he literally said to his supporters that he wasn't one of the politicians from Washington who lie to get votes.... while promising hyperbolic and impossible things... it was such cognitive dissonance I practically got a nosebleed.

But, that's that.

The trump supporters aren't all racists. I'm not tail, so I don't generalize wide swathes open our population. Just because you go to the grocery store with the Klan doesn't make you a racist. But you're still getting in a car with a bunch of guys wearing white hoods.

victor809 wrote:




All that aside this win paves the way to a Kardashian/Jenner ticket in 2020


woohoo..... boobage
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

DMV, he literally said to his supporters that he wasn't one of the politicians from Washington who lie to get votes.... while promising hyperbolic and impossible things... it was such cognitive dissonance I practically got a nosebleed.

But, that's that.

The trump supporters aren't all racists. I'm not tail, so I don't generalize wide swathes open our population. Just because you go to the grocery store with the Klan doesn't make you a racist. But you're still getting in a car with a bunch of guys wearing white hoods.

victor809 wrote:




Seriously?

I'm not a supporter of Trump. I just relish in the fact he dismantled the Clinton Crime Syndicate.

As for the rest of your post...stick it sideways. I defy you to find one post where I'm a racist. I wasn't raised that way and won't have it around me either. Nice try, but that dog don't hunt.
teedubbya
9 years ago
I'm hopeful the clintons go away as well but am not betting on it.
opelmanta1900
9 years ago
The problem victor is that what you and the media and many other liberals call racist, many Americans don't... facebook is flooded right now with people saying trump is a proven racist, sexist, and misogynist... really? Because he recognizes the threats coming from mexico and the middle east?

the statement I've seen many times today, "trump supporters aren't all racists", it's offensive because it implies that many are...

truthfully the same number of racists likely voted for Hillary... remember obama saying it would be personally insulting to him for a black person to vote for trump? That's racism... and I think it's time for the PC crowd to realize it's offensive, it's divisive, and it's indiciative of the greater problem in America...

victor809
9 years ago
Opel... how is that racist?

Dmv ...where did I say you were racist?

DrafterX
9 years ago

That DMV guy, he's racist... 😟.

victor809 wrote:







😟
teedubbya
9 years ago

I like the taste of deke 😱

DrafterX wrote:

DrafterX
9 years ago
DrMaddVibe
9 years ago

Dmv ...where did I say you were racist?

victor809 wrote:



DMV, he literally said to his supporters that he wasn't one of the politicians from Washington who lie to get votes.... while promising hyperbolic and impossible things... it was such cognitive dissonance I practically got a nosebleed.

But, that's that.

The trump supporters aren't all racists. I'm not tail, so I don't generalize wide swathes open our population. Just because you go to the grocery store with the Klan doesn't make you a racist. But you're still getting in a car with a bunch of guys wearing white hoods.

victor809 wrote:



Then there's that. At first I was like, "Oh, he's goofing on wide swathes of populations..." but you were responding to me. I didn't catch where Trump said racist things. I wasn't following him or what he had to say either. I find it pretty dispicable if he did as he's always gone out of his way to not be racist. He's opened up "doors" for a lot of people and thought he was pretty bold for doing it. Pretty sure he even dated a super model that was black too.

I despise racism. I can take a joke, and usually good about making sure everyone knows I love to deliver them too. Guilty of offending on occasion but that's really the job of a comedian. You have to offend. All the greats did it. ALL OF THEM. What I don't like is hating on someone because of race, creed, color or religion. Just because. I've had many friends from different backgrounds and they're my friends for a reason. Being a freind means you have to be a friend. There is no room for racism on the planet. NONE. We, as a human race will never evolve till we can eradicate it.
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