Yep.......Just giving you a hard time, Mattie. I've been all over the South. Tennessee and Kentucky, mostly but spent a lot of time in Georgia and both Carolina's. Beautiful places full of mostly very decent people. I was not particularly fond of S. Carolina but that's ok. I don't have to live there. This statement you made above is probably the best one made on this whole thread.

dead Mattie, or assimilated into mainstream...Dukes has won elections. Police departments and the military branches admit to infiltration.

Sheets and cross burning were the last two centuries. Make no mistake, these hate groups NEVER become extinct...that's why the saying Never Again is something to think about every day for me.

Not at you Mattie, but I'd like to add that these are the teachers of the type of hate this thread is really about...racial hate.
Not good vs evil, not Biblical lessons. Folks are obscuring what these pos's teach. No one is born with this type vile hatred toward others being discussed. This is not about being warlike, about survival of the fittest, or any other obfuscation brought up above.

Naziism is taught, KKK's ideals are taught. White race superiority is taught, and all these groups have their own versions of science and warped history to prove their despicable concepts.

They are expert at marketing and finding targets for recruiting supporters...much like fake religious cults know how to pick "lost" teenagers off the streets and at bus stations.

Mattie, this question IS for your post though...I am aware of Westboro being filthy at funerals of our military personnel, but I never thought of them as anti-war pacifists!
What groups are you talking about, my brother?

Frank,

My experience is merely second hand. I have a buddy that rides with The Honor Guard.

He described that they form a perimeter around the graveside service holding American flags. They are there to block the family from seeing the anti war signs protestors make.

I don't know what this group calls them self.


And I say the Klan is dead....there is no speaking of it. No prpoganda and no public knowledge of rallies. They exist underground if at all.

The KKK ,although in small numbers,is supported by the democrat party........always has been.Just pay them enough to keep the hate alive.

Actually frank, I would argue that it is survival of the fittest. People spread their BS because they believe it gives their future generations a better shot at survival... even if that BS was originally created by some slick talker to gain more power and money.

In no way am I defending these people for their beliefs, I'm merely making the claim and why racism/discrimination will never go away.

My social beliefs are inline with everyone here, racism bad, kkk bad, blm bad, etc...

Are our beliefs right or wrong? well, to me, they're right, but on a universal scale... I don't know. It could just be evolutionary switches to ensure war happens as a way for nature to ensure population control for all we know... I'm making no claim to that knowledge.

My only point is that humans are brutal AF and have been for a long time.

Anytime I see everyone pointing fingers as to who the bad guy is, makes me think of scarface...


What you lookin' at? You all a bunch of f**kin' a**holes. You know why? You don't have the guts to be what you wanna be? You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your f**kin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie. Me, I don't have that problem. Me, I always tell the truth. Even when I lie. So say good night to the bad guy! Come on. The last time you gonna see a bad guy like this again, let me tell you. Come on. Make way for the bad guy. There's a bad guy comin' through! Better get outta his way!

Wow. Just wow.

Blame Trump. This is another of his failed promises. He boldly announced during his inauguration that the "carnage ends now!" As if...

Conservatives who tend to defend white nationalists have been outspoken about acts of violence during Resistance protests, mostly aimed at Trump supporters trying to obstruct a protest. Where is the outrage now? Neither side is immune to hateful and violent people on the margins, yet libs are painted as the anti-free speech, violent and destructive unhinged part of the American population among conservative circles.

But this event is an example of American greatness. We are able to let the most hateful among us gather and speak and try to defend them. We are able to let those who oppose their message gather and speak to denounce them. Our democracy and way of life was never threatened. We are still a land of laws and civility. At some point we can let every voice be heard without any person getting killed. But we are not too different from most other parts of the world. Racism and tribalism is alive and well.

The Westboro clowns are not that far away from me and I've seen and heard them enough to (unfortunately) know what they are all about. They are anti-homosexual for the most part. They march at the funerals of dead soldiers and claim that their deaths are a form of punishment to the nation for allowing the "abomination" of homosexuality to go on. The thing is....and what they are REALLY about...is that they are all lawyers. They sue at the drop of a hat. they sue if their civil rights get violated. They sue if they get assaulted. They sue for Libel, Slander, and Defamation of Character. They do a lot of very vile things. Things that WILL get their civil rights violated..things that WILL get them $hit-stomped. They do get slandered and Libeled. They sue. and, unfortunately, they win.


and sorry Mattie...I don't believe the KKK is dead. I know for a fact that there are chapters right here in Missouri. Normal, decent people don't hear that much about them because they are just that...normal, decent people. Evil is still very much alive, unfortunately.

I guess if I had to pick, it would be class. The ruling class needs to be booted. Old school, heads-on-pikes, type of stuff. Democrats, Republicans, all of them because they are all the same. None of them represent you or I. They divide us and conquer us without ever firing a shot. I'm not even talking about the Gubmint. I'm talking the REAL ruling class. The Kochs, the Soros's. Those shadowy figures that really make the decisions.

The ones to tell you who to point the finger at?

Gotta say I am really disappointed in a lot of people. Not really surprised... but disappointed.

I really don't even know where to start.... Do we start with the people who have tried to put Black Lives Matter and the KKK in the same list? As if there is some sort of equivalence between a movement started for the simple reason that some people thought a disproportionate number of black people were killed in interactions with cops... and a group which was organized for the systematic brutal intimidation,, beating, raping and lynching of people of a specific race...

Then you have the confederate statues. Statues to people who were fighting for the specific reason to keep in place an organized subjugation of a race, a subjugation which had existed for generations and resulted in beatings, death, rapes of people for no reason other than being born a specific race. And the rationale is "we don't have a problem with the winning general's statues in our city... and he burned a bunch of people!".... it's an amazing inability to understand just how absolutely wrong one side of the war was. Hell.. you don't see people in germany bragging about their relatives fighting for the SS... or trying to keep statues of Himmler up. And while horrible people, and killing millions of people, they didn't even have the holocaust in place for a full generation. We are talking about an institution which killed millions of blacks just in the process of bringing slaves to the americas... and the ones that lived... well... they were slaves. To be beaten, raped or killed as desired. Yet there are people who romanticize the generals who wanted to fight to keep that institution in place. And feign surprise when someone who might have had their family history impacted by that institution aren't so thrilled to see a statue honoring those generals in place.

The claims that removing a statue to a general of the losing side is somehow "erasing history" is bullsh#t people are trying to sell who actually want to keep those statues in place out of some sick desire to have the country move back to that timeperiod. No one is suggesting removing the names from history books. In fact, I'd bet that the same people who want to remove those statues are very interested in ensuring our history books continue to document how half the country wanted to keep a race enslaved and were wiling to fight to the death to make sure they could. The confederate generals are not heroes of our country. They are heroes of a country which was quickly and appropriately aborted. There is no reason for us to keep those statues other than to appease racists.

As for the KKK... it doesn't need to be public any longer. Who needs sheets and hoods to mask their identity while they meet with other racists and talk racist sh3t... We have the internet where trolls can make up names for themselves to allow them to anonymously talk racist sh#t. We have right wing racists attacking people on twitter, or forums screaming threats of raping people in all CAPS when movie studios have a black man or a woman be a star in a movie,... I suppose we should be thankful that the internet is giving these sickos an outlet so they don't go burn a cross on a lawn ... But then one of them gets behind the wheel of a car.

The whole thing is disappointing. The idea that these "alt right" (read "racists without the balls to wear a sheet or a swastika") people exist in numbers to have a rally... the idea that anyone thinks there is a justification for them.... the fact that our president didn't denounce them immediately.... and on a personal note, a lot of the people here. All of it is disappointing.

Racism is racism no matter the intention of the original message.

It takes work to overcome racism/classism/sexism and what ever the hell other isms that are out there, it just doesn't happen... like Delta said, it's the tribal mentality, us against them, black against white, north against south... red against blue.

What ever you want to call it, people naturally break up into groups based on common traits. I believe it's referred to as the herd mentality. You want to call it a travesty, and a disappointment that people do what pack animals do. I simply say, that's just how it is, and as far as our life spans go, probably how it will always be.

When comparing today's discriminatory groups to the past, It's still the same old sh17, just with different groups with different agendas in a world with different rules... the only thing that stays the same is the discrimination.

Just curious... Did anyone have a protest permit?

I believe they did, Robert. It was a planned rally.

So, the civil war was all about slavery now..?? I get confused... 😕

Drafter

Don't be confused. People that learned the 10,000 ft view of history would agree with your statement.



Jade,
I'll try to explain myself again. When I say the Klan is dead, I mean in comparison to decades past. I have no doubt there are still some that gather under the name.

So we agree that Barry is a Moron....that's cool!!! 🍺

I'm surprised that the person driving "the car"
Didn't go to MACCO FIRST AND GET THE
MONTHLY SPECIAL...

"DUKES OF HAZZARD CAR GENERAL LEE STYLE
PAINT JOB"

before plowing down,
Some Nazi's...

i have no expectation that everyone will love everyone
in fact, i am certain that it will never be achieved

some civility would be nice though

on a somewhat related note, who in the world keeps electing maxine waters...