victor809
8 years ago
Intent and effect are two separate things.

Your implication that I would be bothered (snowflake of the year) if he did it with malice is simply wrong. I believe cacman posted this with malice. Why would it bother me that he posted it in malice. It just means I get to call him a troll more.
I've never been bothered if someone is angry and afraid enough to try to act against me in malice. I'm only bothered if they are competent enough to be effective. Cacman is an incompetent individual.
victor809
8 years ago
That being said...
I'm still bothered by his attempt to whitewash (pun intended) his racist statement that he moved to 5000 ft to avoid black people by calling it a "joke".

HuckFinn
8 years ago
I'm pretty sure black people wouldn't think his avatar is all that funny either...
tailgater
8 years ago
Why does Huck think black people have no sense of humor?

tailgater
8 years ago

Intent and effect are two separate things.

Your implication that I would be bothered (snowflake of the year) if he did it with malice is simply wrong. I believe cacman posted this with malice. Why would it bother me that he posted it in malice. It just means I get to call him a troll more.
I've never been bothered if someone is angry and afraid enough to try to act against me in malice. I'm only bothered if they are competent enough to be effective. Cacman is an incompetent individual.

victor809 wrote:



I'm not implying that you'd be bothered if Cac posted it with malice.

I'm telling you that you are a sensitive snowflake IF you think it was posted with malice. Or if you see malice in the post.


I hate that this discussion has grown legs here, because I don't find the picture particularly funny.
But to make the leap to "malice"?
Simply because you two are feuding like a married couple?

Like I said before, a lame joke like this could be used as an olive branch.
Assuming the recipient is mature enough.

Of course, I could be wrong. Maybe he did mean for this picture post to be the ultimate F-you.
To show the world how superior he is. To throw down the greatest insult CBid has ever witnessed...

Is that the argument you want to stick with?






RMAN4443
8 years ago

I'm pretty sure black people wouldn't think his avatar is all that funny either...

HuckFinn wrote:


I actually own a Lawn Jockey exactly like that.....not because I'm racist, but because it came from my granddad's shed after he died.......it is an antique, cast iron, and valued at about $1000-$1500......not that I would sell it......I remember when we were kids, my little brother was about 4, every time we went to my grandparents house my brother would run up and give the statue a big hug and kiss, like they were long lost pals.......how could I ever sell off those memories 🤐
Fire away....](*,)
HuckFinn
8 years ago
"Let us be honest, some people find lawn jockeys nostalgic, reminiscent of the "good old days" of Jim Crow segregation. The black-faced servant with the stooped back is a reminder of the decades when Blacks occupied the bottom rung on America's racial hierarchy -- a time when Blacks "knew their place." After World War II, White residents of new housing developments, "perhaps to give themselves more of a sense of being a member of the privileged master class, began placing 'Jocko' on their lawns in great numbers," wrote Kenneth W. Goings in his book Mammy and Uncle Mose. 5 I can tell you that more than a half-century later lawn jockeys are still seen by African Americans as markers of "White space," objects that send this message to Blacks: "You are not welcome here."

From
https://ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2008/july.htm 

victor809
8 years ago
Hang on... is cacman racist because he has an avatar that says "blacks are not welcome here" or because he says he "moved to 5,000 feet because sickle cell is a bitch"?

....or is this not an either/or question?
RMAN4443
8 years ago

"Let us be honest, some people find lawn jockeys nostalgic, reminiscent of the "good old days" of Jim Crow segregation. The black-faced servant with the stooped back is a reminder of the decades when Blacks occupied the bottom rung on America's racial hierarchy -- a time when Blacks "knew their place." After World War II, White residents of new housing developments, "perhaps to give themselves more of a sense of being a member of the privileged master class, began placing 'Jocko' on their lawns in great numbers," wrote Kenneth W. Goings in his book Mammy and Uncle Mose. 5 I can tell you that more than a half-century later lawn jockeys are still seen by African Americans as markers of "White space," objects that send this message to Blacks: "You are not welcome here."

From
https://ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2008/july.htm 

HuckFinn wrote:


Damn, I knew there was a reason I kept it.......I've been fooling myself all these years thinking it reminded me of my grandparents.......and that it was worth quite a bit of the green stuff.....I'm SO ASHAMED, it's going to the dump Saturday, unless any of you racists here want it.....I can't keep it now that I've been enlightened[-( 🤥

How do the African Americans feel about Huck Finn's ni**er Jim?


A lawn jockey is a small statue of a man in jockey clothes, intended to be placed in front yards as hitching posts, similarly to those of footmen bearing lanterns near entrances and gnomes in gardens.
The lawn ornament, popular in certain parts of the United States in years past,[when?] was a cast replica, usually about half-scale or smaller, usually of a man dressed in jockey's clothing and holding up one hand as though taking the reins of a horse. The hand sometimes carries a metal ring (suitable for hitching a horse in the case of solid concrete or iron versions) and in some cases a lantern, which may or may not be operational.
Originally a welcoming symbol to guests and providing to those on horseback with a practical and novel hitching post, later statues eventually became only decorative and not well suited for hitching a horse, often favored by those wishing to evoke an Old South or equestrian ambiance. During the Underground Railroad years in the 19th century they were sometimes used to secretly signal either safety or danger to runaway slaves.

Underground Railroad communication tool
Charles L. Blockson, Curator Emeritus of the Afro-American Collection at Temple University in Philadelphia and author of Hippocrene Guide to the Underground Railroad, claims that the figures were used in the days of the Underground Railroad to guide escaping slaves to freedom: "Green ribbons were tied to the arms of the statue to indicate safety; red ribbons meant to keep going ... People who don’t know the history of the jockey have feelings of humiliation and anger when they see the statue ..
Speyside
8 years ago
Nah Tail, Cacman and a few others here are so incompetent that I can't help but laugh and point out the obvious. But I am glad that you try to keep me pointed in the right direction however ineffective that may be.
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago
Been slacking on the boards....

Cacman's so ez he basically trolls himself :D

So I'll go back on hiatus... you guys got this!
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Damn, I knew there was a reason I kept it.......I've been fooling myself all these years thinking it reminded me of my grandparents.......and that it was worth quite a bit of the green stuff.....I'm SO ASHAMED, it's going to the dump Saturday, unless any of you racists here want it.....I can't keep it now that I've been enlightened[-( 🤥

How do the African Americans feel about Huck Finn's ni**er Jim?


A lawn jockey is a small statue of a man in jockey clothes, intended to be placed in front yards as hitching posts, similarly to those of footmen bearing lanterns near entrances and gnomes in gardens.
The lawn ornament, popular in certain parts of the United States in years past,[when?] was a cast replica, usually about half-scale or smaller, usually of a man dressed in jockey's clothing and holding up one hand as though taking the reins of a horse. The hand sometimes carries a metal ring (suitable for hitching a horse in the case of solid concrete or iron versions) and in some cases a lantern, which may or may not be operational.
Originally a welcoming symbol to guests and providing to those on horseback with a practical and novel hitching post, later statues eventually became only decorative and not well suited for hitching a horse, often favored by those wishing to evoke an Old South or equestrian ambiance. During the Underground Railroad years in the 19th century they were sometimes used to secretly signal either safety or danger to runaway slaves.

Underground Railroad communication tool
Charles L. Blockson, Curator Emeritus of the Afro-American Collection at Temple University in Philadelphia and author of Hippocrene Guide to the Underground Railroad, claims that the figures were used in the days of the Underground Railroad to guide escaping slaves to freedom: "Green ribbons were tied to the arms of the statue to indicate safety; red ribbons meant to keep going ... People who don’t know the history of the jockey have feelings of humiliation and anger when they see the statue ..

RMAN4443 wrote:


Dude! I wasn't looking to upset you! Damn!

The link I posted was by a black man showing what he'd found. You might want to read it. There's a lot of myth regarding these statues....

Here's the link again;
https://ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2008/july.htm 

Bottom line, according to this guy anyway, is that black people are pretty offended by them.

No kidding, sorry if I upset you.
I understand it's a hand-me-down, nostalgic thing for you...
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Hang on... is cacman racist because he has an avatar that says "blacks are not welcome here" or because he says he "moved to 5,000 feet because sickle cell is a bitch"?

....or is this not an either/or question?

victor809 wrote:


I dunno, way I see it, everyone's bigoted or racist to one extent or another....
bgz
  • bgz
  • Herf-A-Holic
8 years ago

I dunno, way I see it, everyone's bigoted or racist to one extent or another....

HuckFinn wrote:



Last time I made this same statement on these boards, tail got all butt hurt about me calling him a racist.
HuckFinn
8 years ago

Last time I made this same statement on these boards, tail got all butt hurt about me calling him a racist.

bgz wrote:


Maybe the chafing has healed?
tailgater
8 years ago

Nah Tail, Cacman and a few others here are so incompetent that I can't help but laugh and point out the obvious. But I am glad that you try to keep me pointed in the right direction however ineffective that may be.

Speyside wrote:




I wasn't pointing in any direction.
I was commenting on your newly found purpose.

I like the old spey.
The one who didn't get a nose bleed every time victor stopped short.

Heck. Who am I kidding?
I like BOTH speysides.

Differing opinions don't bother me like it does the huckster.

I'd say that I call a spade a spade, but I don't live in a high enough elevation.

Or something like that.


tailgater
8 years ago

Last time I made this same statement on these boards, tail got all butt hurt about me calling him a racist.

bgz wrote:



I do get butt hurt when stupid people make idiotic and bogus assumptions about other people.

Could you be more specific?


tailgater
8 years ago

Dude! I wasn't looking to upset you! Damn!

The link I posted was by a black man showing what he'd found. You might want to read it. There's a lot of myth regarding these statues....

Here's the link again;
https://ferris.edu/HTMLS/news/jimcrow/question/2008/july.htm 

Bottom line, according to this guy anyway, is that black people are pretty offended by them.

No kidding, sorry if I upset you.
I understand it's a hand-me-down, nostalgic thing for you...

HuckFinn wrote:



No.
You don't understand at all.

You made an assumption on the purpose of the jockey based on what YOU believe.
And you did so even after Rick explained the history.


tailgater
8 years ago

I dunno, way I see it, everyone's bigoted or racist to one extent or another....

HuckFinn wrote:



Better to blame the masses than to take responsibility.








HuckFinn
8 years ago

No.
You don't understand at all.

You made an assumption on the purpose of the jockey based on what YOU believe.
And you did so even after Rick explained the history.


tailgater wrote:


I'd read more about these black-faced statues than either you or Rick did.

You didn't open the link I posted. Did you...?

TG, think, do you really believe black people would be okay with these ornaments or is it really that you don't think they SHOULD object?
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