DrafterX
8 years ago
I heard there was gonna be flopping during the national anthem this year in the NFL... 😠
tailgater
8 years ago

My guess is you have not been watching. This has been a great world cup.


I think they are starting to gain control over the flopping. I was hoping the VAR would result in more yellows when it happens but it seems as if the Refs are doing a better job of not calling the penalty and the VAR at times works in reverse.... if that makes sense....

Flopping hasn't been much of an issue and I love the world making fun of Niedermeyer (intentional spelling)



Go croatia.

teedubbya wrote:




Brazil's Neymar thanks you for the support.


Any sport that would allow such obvious flopping without enforcing any rules to prevent it should not be taken serious.

In the NHL some players started flopping, so they created the Embellishment penalty. And they enforce it, even though it's clearly a judgement call.
The NBA is doing the same thing. And it works.

This has been going on in soccer for decades, if not longer.
At the World Cup level.
And still no rules. Otherwise Neymar would have been sitting long before his team fell out of the tournament.



delta1
8 years ago

Croatia has more balls and determination than even I imagined.

When Trippier scored on 5 minutes, I couldn't conceive of this team coming back with the legs of Major Dan to make up, then overcome the deficit.

France should roll through them. Just like their last two, assumed, overlords.

France in a blowout...... right?

8trackdisco wrote:



No more predictions from me...Croatia plays better going forward, so I don't see them sitting back and waiting to counterattack. That should make for a great and physical match. Hope they're not gassed from all the OT they've played. They had more in reserve than England, though, who played the last five minutes with one player on the bench, maybe with a groin pull, maybe physically spent from exhaustion.

Can't wait...
teedubbya
8 years ago

Brazil's Neymar thanks you for the support.


Any sport that would allow such obvious flopping without enforcing any rules to prevent it should not be taken serious.

In the NHL some players started flopping, so they created the Embellishment penalty. And they enforce it, even though it's clearly a judgement call.
The NBA is doing the same thing. And it works.

This has been going on in soccer for decades, if not longer.
At the World Cup level.
And still no rules. Otherwise Neymar would have been sitting long before his team fell out of the tournament.



tailgater wrote:




If you say so. You obviously have not been watching and did not grasp what I was saying. And I purposely misspelled Neymar who is the poster boy for the issue. he was largely mocked and his flops largely neutralized.

You don't have to like the sport, but its obvious you are not following it and your thoughts are a bit dated. The flopping issue is not totally resolved but they have made great strides without being draconian. There are rules and VAR.

I like what they have done, and if you had watched this world cup (which I'd guess you have no interest and even less knowledge about) you'd see flopping really has not been a huge issue..... neymar and what the mainstream media is telling you to think aside. its still there but not as you describe. I think you are out of your knowledge zone.
delta1
8 years ago
A minor, almost non-issue this WC, mostly due to VAR...and big screen replays...
tailgater
8 years ago

If you say so. You obviously have not been watching and did not grasp what I was saying. And I purposely misspelled Neymar who is the poster boy for the issue. he was largely mocked and his flops largely neutralized.

You don't have to like the sport, but its obvious you are not following it and your thoughts are a bit dated. The flopping issue is not totally resolved but they have made great strides without being draconian. There are rules and VAR.

I like what they have done, and if you had watched this world cup (which I'd guess you have no interest and even less knowledge about) you'd see flopping really has not been a huge issue..... neymar and what the mainstream media is telling you to think aside. its still there but not as you describe. I think you are out of your knowledge zone.

teedubbya wrote:




This is pure awesome.

In the history of sports talk, there has never been a discussion where somebody said "I don't like soccer", without hearing "well, you just don't understand it".
here we have yet another variation of it.

It's hilarious.

TW, you need justification?
OK fine.
I didn't watch enough of the world cup to have an opinion that matches yours.
But it's a catch 22. I don't watch because it's a joke sport. I can't be expected to watch and simply hope that it won't be WWE acting on the pitch.

Soccer fans are so needy.

And please don't misinterpret me. I am NOT being sarcastic.
If anything, I am understating how pathetic they can be.

We'll probably have to wait for a reply from TW.
He's too busy flopping to type.
(STILL not being sarcastic)



I do admit that I didn't catch your Neymar joke.

You claim that FIFA is addressing the flops? Didn't Naymar help Brazil beat Mexico AFTER a flop episode?





KingoftheCove
8 years ago
I know how to fix soccer for the American fan with 3 simple changes:
-No more off sides.
-Widen the goal by 3 meters.....oops.....ok........10 feet!
-Penalty box like hockey.......bad foul?........3 minutes in da box.......none of that yellow and red card chit.

Typical scores should be like 16 to 12...........it would be awesome...........American Futbol!

Heck, someone should start this league.
8trackdisco
8 years ago

This is pure awesome.

In the history of sports talk, there has never been a discussion where somebody said "I don't like soccer", without hearing "well, you just don't understand it".
here we have yet another variation of it.

It's hilarious.

TW, you need justification?
OK fine.
I didn't watch enough of the world cup to have an opinion that matches yours.
But it's a catch 22. I don't watch because it's a joke sport. I can't be expected to watch and simply hope that it won't be WWE acting on the pitch.

Soccer fans are so needy.

And please don't misinterpret me. I am NOT being sarcastic.
If anything, I am understating how pathetic they can be.

We'll probably have to wait for a reply from TW.
He's too busy flopping to type.
(STILL not being sarcastic)

I do admit that I didn't catch your Neymar joke.

You claim that FIFA is addressing the flops? Didn't Naymar help Brazil beat Mexico AFTER a flop episode?

tailgater wrote:



Gator,
I understand where your head is at. Ten years ago, I was EXACTLY in your viewing shoes. Saw a replay of a cheating Frenchman named Thierry Henry cheat Ireland out of a WC for 2010. In humor you wouldn't understand, two years later, I became an Arsenal fan.

Ironically, it was the NFL that made me a soccer fan. Enduring the endless breaks for commercials, I'd watch a little English Premier League. A full game all wrapped up in well under 2 hours. In the NFL, that only gets you midway into the third quarter.

As for flopping, there is far less flopping than there is holding in the NFL. Not even close. Compare the game flow of soccer. These athletes are almost always in motion. That, verses the six seconds of action, punctuated 40 seconds of no action, followed by five more minutes of screaming commercials. You can have the NFL.

Soccer snobs (and I) would tell you the same thing about understanding the game. Soccer is a chess match with human pieces. If you are a fan of structure, process and tactics, you'd like this. Don't watch where the ball is, realize where it is
going.

If you are into no flopping, physicality, give up on the NFL and watch Rugby. There is no reason (other than tradition) to watching the NFL.
teedubbya
8 years ago
Meh I wasn’t saying TG doesn’t underestand soccer despite his strawman.

I was saying he obviously isn’t watching it as of late or he would know his flopping comments are out of date.

Unless TG can say with a straight face he’s been watching it, I stand by my take that he’s talking about something he doesn’t know about and his information is out dated.

I don’t expect him to admit it though.
rfenst
teedubbya
8 years ago
But I also love the NFL. Great sport great league with its own issues. I hate seeing receivers flopping and whining for penalties though just as much as I hate it in soccer. A bogus PI call at the 1 is the same as a PK. It’s an actual tactic in the NFL. At least in soccer they will review VAR. in football it’s not reviewable.

It was refreshing that flopping was much less of an issue this WC. They are getting it right. The next step is to do what I think Tail is suggesting. Card the flops rather than just not calling them or using VAR to adjudicate. After adjudication card. I’m sure Tail knows this already happens at times but I think he wants it even more strict because his was a well informed comment wanting to help the sport rather than a knee jerk reaction to a sport he doesn’t like.

Tail I love the needy comment. You should bring that up in conversation when you travel pretty much anywhere outside the States. See how it goes.
rfenst
tailgater
8 years ago

But I also love the NFL. Great sport great league with its own issues. I hate seeing receivers flopping and whining for penalties though just as much as I hate it in soccer. A bogus PI call at the 1 is the same as a PK. It’s an actual tactic in the NFL. At least in soccer they will review VAR. in football it’s not reviewable.

It was refreshing that flopping was much less of an issue this WC. They are getting it right. The next step is to do what I think Tail is suggesting. Card the flops rather than just not calling them or using VAR to adjudicate. After adjudication card. I’m sure Tail knows this already happens at times but I think he wants it even more strict because his was a well informed comment wanting to help the sport rather than a knee jerk reaction to a sport he doesn’t like.

Tail I love the needy comment. You should bring that up in conversation when you travel pretty much anywhere outside the States. See how it goes.

teedubbya wrote:



I guess we'll hear a dozen ways how soccer fans (and TW in particular) are not needy.

tailgater
8 years ago
As many know, I'm an avid NFL fan. And a self admitted and incurable homer in most sports.

When someone doesn't like the NFL I've never once implied it was due to their inability to understand it. Never told them that they have to watch MORE of it so they can tell me why they don't like it.

Yes, TW. Soccer fans are a needy bunch.
At least here in America.

Not sure why you feel the NEED to bring in outside countries to defend your position.

It's soccer.
It's a good sport, and I would watch it if America were in it (my homerism again).

In the meantime, if it's on at the bar then I'll watch it.
But I wouldn't cancel a pedicure for the finals.

and I guess that's because I don't understand it and I don't watch enough of it.
At least according the TW.




teedubbya
8 years ago
Your apology is accepted.
shaun341
8 years ago
I played a Croatia stacked lineup on Draftkings just for fun last game and made a couple dollars. I haven't watched this World Cup as much as the past few but I did catch the replay of that game and it was a fun game to watch. I will be rooting for Croatia on Sunday just for the sake I like to see the underdog or a new team win.
8trackdisco
8 years ago
Tailgater,

You can get your Homer-On next year, for the women's World Cup. The U.S. women are defending champions.

Not to mention some attractive athletes. Love me some Alex Morgan.

You might be able to get yourself into that for a few minutes.
KingoftheCove
8 years ago
I love watching high level soccer.
I like watching many women's sports....track and field, softball, tennis, golf, judo, MMA, traditional and beach volleyball, etc.

But for some reason, I just can't watch women's soccer, or basketball. Could be the deviation from the men's game is just too much?
I don't know...
rfenst
8 years ago
Looking forward to the consolation match.
8trackdisco
8 years ago

Looking forward to the consolation match.

rfenst wrote:



Me too. Dog walk and breakfast first. Here we go!
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