Gene363
7 years ago

... then you won't mind providing the page numbers?
I've literally got the text of the resolution in front of me.

victor809 wrote:



https://www.gp.org/gnd_full 
victor809
7 years ago
Hahahahahahabahah!!!!

Oh my god... You've proven my point.

You literally are looking at a completely different "green new deal"... You're calling this AOC woman dumb, but your quotes are from the green party platform... Not from the resolution.

victor809
7 years ago
That "green new deal" page was published 5 months ago by some dude named David doonan...
dstieger
7 years ago

Could you post the picture??8-[

RMAN4443 wrote:


Cant find it right now....this might hold you over:
https://ibb.co/F6mbJHp 

In memory of Andy
Gene363
7 years ago

That "green new deal" page was published 5 months ago by some dude named David doonan...

victor809 wrote:



I clearly called it the: "New Green Deal"
victor809
7 years ago
The discussion is about AOC. That page has nothing to do with her resolution. You clearly thought it did.
tailgater
7 years ago

... then you won't mind providing the page numbers?
I've literally got the text of the resolution in front of me while pleasuring myself.

victor809 wrote:



😱
victor809
7 years ago
So I pleasure myself and your first reaction is to open your mouth?

RMAN4443
7 years ago

Cant find it right now....this might hold you over:
https://ibb.co/F6mbJHp 

In memory of Andy

dstieger wrote:


I was joking.....



Why did you need a picture post too? Hell, you already told us the entire meme. Man... No we have literally nothing to look forward to with it.

victor809 wrote:


😲
delta1
victor809
7 years ago
This right here is why I just mock people these days...

An argument was posited that AOC's words make no sense.
In defense of that argument, gene provides a large number of quotes which he thinks are from AOCs green new deal resolution (the words bill and resolution were used a number of times).
He is proven to be wrong.

Rather than change his mind, say "oh... I guess she might not be as crazy as I thought" he just wanders off. I'm sure he has not changed his view in any way, despite the removal of the evidence on which he based his views.

No one changes their minds. It's a more worthwhile use of my time to mock people for their views rather than change them.

So... Yeah... Maybe that meme would work better if we put genes picture on it?
delta1
7 years ago
I've changed my mind a couple of times by ideas presented here...

on the possibility of gun control in the US...waste of time...gun fanatics are in firm control...and despite Trump's vow, we can tolerate more carnage...

and on trying to influence people to stop public expressions, as when people tried to stop "Baby It's Cold Outside" from being played on radio stations...censorship is best defeated by more open and free expression...even if you disagree with what is being said...
tailgater
7 years ago

This right here is why I just mock people these days...

An argument was posited that AOC's words make no sense.
In defense of that argument, gene provides a large number of quotes which he thinks are from AOCs green new deal resolution (the words bill and resolution were used a number of times).
He is proven to be wrong.

Rather than change his mind, say "oh... I guess she might not be as crazy as I thought" he just wanders off. I'm sure he has not changed his view in any way, despite the removal of the evidence on which he based his views.

No one changes their minds. It's a more worthwhile use of my time to mock people for their views rather than change them.

So... Yeah... Maybe that meme would work better if we put genes picture on it?

victor809 wrote:



Actually, she is certified bat sh*t crazy.
Gene didn't quote her, but if he had what are the chances you would have agreed?
Because she is.
Bat sh*t Crazy.

But she's still pretty hot.
Speyside
7 years ago
People do not like to admit they are wrong. Not suprising really, that's just human nature. People use media sources they are comfortable with, again human nature. Breaking out of your individual paradigm is hard. When you read what she actually wrote there is value there I think. Obviously she is being far reaching and extreme in my opinion. But improving the environment is a worthwhile goal. Many of the old fossils here don't see it that way. It does suprise me that so many, not only here, can have scientific fact in front of them, and be able to delude themselves into knowing it is false.
Gene363
7 years ago

This right here is why I just mock people these days...

An argument was posited that AOC's words make no sense.
In defense of that argument, gene provides a large number of quotes which he thinks are from AOCs green new deal resolution (the words bill and resolution were used a number of times).
He is proven to be wrong.

Rather than change his mind, say "oh... I guess she might not be as crazy as I thought" he just wanders off. I'm sure he has not changed his view in any way, despite the removal of the evidence on which he based his views.

No one changes their minds. It's a more worthwhile use of my time to mock people for their views rather than change them.

So... Yeah... Maybe that meme would work better if we put genes picture on it?

victor809 wrote:



https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/sites/ocasio-cortez.house.gov/files/Resolution%20on%20a%20Green%20New%20Deal.pdf 

And it's not as comprehensive or detailed as the one I quoted, it's just a collection of reactionary assumptions.

"Whereas the United States is currently experiencing several related crises, with—
(1) life expectancy declining while basic needs, such as clean air, clean water, healthy food, and adequate health care, housing, transportation, and education, are inaccessible to a significant portion of the United States population;"

Do believe there are Clean Air, Housing, Education and Transportation crises?

(Other than transporting homeless away from your neighborhood and housing them elsewhere.)
victor809
7 years ago
So now the stance is it's full of "reactionary assumptions" as opposed to "crazy assumptions"

Well... Life expectancy is declining in the US...
Clean air is an issue for a number of places in the US (just in SF we had unbreathable air for a couple weeks)... "Significant" might be an exaggeration.
Clean water... Hell, wasn't that a whole problem recently in Flint? And west Virginia I think? Again... "Significant" may be an exaggeration.
Healthy food.... Well...that's true. There are things called "food deserts"...
Adequate health care? Kind of a given...
Housing... Also true, maybe an exaggeration to say "significant".
Transportation.... This has been brought up frequently already regarding ID requirements for voting. There is a percentage of our US population which does not have access to transportation due to money. Again "significant" is probably an unnecessary word
Education? Hell... Don't pretend you don't complain about education on this very site. I don't know which level she's talking about, but I know I've seen people here complaining about education... Some of them complaining about the liberals changes to the education system.

So yeah... Other than her use of the term "significant" she's not wrong by saying these things are not available to some percentage of our population.

Significant itself is a throwaway word... It means different things to different people depending on the context. When you're looking at jewelry for the woman, a 20% cost difference may be significant. When looking at a car for yourself, that 20% may not be that significant a difference... 1% mortality rate with a pharmaceutical drug is "significant"...

Gene363
7 years ago

So now the stance is it's full of "reactionary assumptions" as opposed to "crazy assumptions"

Well... Life expectancy is declining in the US...
Clean air is an issue for a number of places in the US (just in SF we had unbreathable air for a couple weeks)... "Significant" might be an exaggeration.
Clean water... Hell, wasn't that a whole problem recently in Flint? And west Virginia I think? Again... "Significant" may be an exaggeration.
Healthy food.... Well...that's true. There are things called "food deserts"...
Adequate health care? Kind of a given...
Housing... Also true, maybe an exaggeration to say "significant".
Transportation.... This has been brought up frequently already regarding ID requirements for voting. There is a percentage of our US population which does not have access to transportation due to money. Again "significant" is probably an unnecessary word
Education? Hell... Don't pretend you don't complain about education on this very site. I don't know which level she's talking about, but I know I've seen people here complaining about education... Some of them complaining about the liberals changes to the education system.

So yeah... Other than her use of the term "significant" she's not wrong by saying these things are not available to some percentage of our population.

Significant itself is a throwaway word... It means different things to different people depending on the context. When you're looking at jewelry for the woman, a 20% cost difference may be significant. When looking at a car for yourself, that 20% may not be that significant a difference... 1% mortality rate with a pharmaceutical drug is "significant"...

victor809 wrote:




Aha! So when Trump announces border security a "crises" after signing the new spending bill you'll be on board.

FWIW, complaints do equal a crises.

If she turns you on, i.e., sapping to her words, go for it, but don't confuse base feelings with intelligent thought.
ZRX1200
7 years ago
Gene I wouldn’t waste your time....I posted an actual link to her original doc and he was silent......he’s a sad pathetic man who loves obsessing about things.
victor809
7 years ago
Z I make a point of not looking at any link you post here. You don't generally post anything from reliable sources and frequently it's a YouTube link without any identifiable information in it, so there's no way to pull the information from an actual worthwhile source.

Don't whine that I'm not responding to you. Do better.
victor809
7 years ago
Gene...no. That's a dumb inference.
You even assume I'm on board with AOCs identification of her crisis.

Jesus why is it always all or nothing with you people.

I can disagree with parts of her green new deal and think it's grossly inaccurate to portray her as incomprehensible.

Her document is a reasonably written, likely unachievable set of goals.some of those goals are not goals I share. So? Doesn't make her some sort of idiot. If she acts like an idiot (for examples, see the entirety of Trump's Twitter feed) I would call her one.
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