DrafterX
7 years ago
Nobody ever thinks about the childrens... 😞
izonfire
7 years ago

for the children...?

RMAN4443 wrote:



I’m against the children.
They’ve had it much too easy for much too long.
They should just grow up already.

I’m in the early stages of putting together a platform.
IZON for 2024 - GROW UP ALREADY!
My campaign is in it’s infancy, but with your support,
we can help it to mature
RMAN4443
7 years ago

I’m against the children.
They’ve had it much too easy for much too long.
They should just grow up already.

I’m in the early stages of putting together a platform.
IZON for 2024 - GROW UP ALREADY!
My campaign is in it’s infancy, but with your support,
we can help it to mature

izonfire wrote:


maturity is not part of my political beliefs....8-[
frankj1
7 years ago

maturity is not part of my political beliefs....8-[

RMAN4443 wrote:


the basis of our friendship?
delta1
7 years ago

I’m against the children.
They’ve had it much too easy for much too long.
They should just grow up already.

I’m in the early stages of putting together a platform.
IZON for 2024 - GROW UP ALREADY!
My campaign is in it’s infancy, but with your support,
we can help it to mature

izonfire wrote:



I dunno Izon...in 5 years the kids will be all grown up, eliminating the raison d'etre
victor809
7 years ago

I’m against the children.
They’ve had it much too easy for much too long.
They should just grow up already.

I’m in the early stages of putting together a platform.
IZON for 2024 - GROW UP ALREADY!
My campaign is in it’s infancy, but with your support,
we can help it to mature

izonfire wrote:



I'm against the children too IZON 2020 (we need to catch them early!)
frankj1
7 years ago
meanwhile, back at the ranch...

SJC ruled in favor of the DA vs Municipal Court judge.

DA wanted to drop charges against several of the nonviolent protesters (NOT called counterprotesters...HA!) while still prosecuting those accused of assaulting police officers.
The Muni judge insisted prosecutors arraign the others and DA Rollins claimed he was clearly overstepping his authority and ignoring long standing separation of powers.

The SJC agreed with Rollins, saying the prosecutor's sole authority to determine when to prosecute "has been affirmed repeatedly by this court since the beginning of the 19th century"...and cited cases going back to 1806.

Just wanted to keep followers in the loop.
victor809
7 years ago
It's been too long. does that make you right or tail right?
frankj1
7 years ago
as it relates to the facts as they have happened, neither.
we aren't agreeing on what is the bigger issue though.

I was just updating the story itself.
victor809
7 years ago

as it relates to the facts as they have happened, neither.
we aren't agreeing on what is the bigger issue though.

I was just updating the story itself.

frankj1 wrote:



Clearly you have never posted in the cbid political forum..... noob...
RMAN4443
7 years ago

the basis of our friendship?

frankj1 wrote:


Maturity??? No, I like you, because I think you're Special.....8-[
izonfire
7 years ago

Maturity??? No, I like you, because I think you're Special.....8-[

RMAN4443 wrote:



I thought it was mutual indifference.
But I don’t really care
frankj1
7 years ago

Clearly you have never posted in the cbid political forum..... noob...

victor809 wrote:


I'm on "E".
But I still read every vitriolic post
izonfire
7 years ago

I'm on "E".
But I still read every vitriolic post

frankj1 wrote:



Yeah, I’ve been spending a bit too much time there myself.
I can see why some have a difficult time with it.
Palama’s got the right idea to chill and listen to music
tailgater
7 years ago

meanwhile, back at the ranch...

SJC ruled in favor of the DA vs Municipal Court judge.

DA wanted to drop charges against several of the nonviolent protesters (NOT called counterprotesters...HA!) while still prosecuting those accused of assaulting police officers.
The Muni judge insisted prosecutors arraign the others and DA Rollins claimed he was clearly overstepping his authority and ignoring long standing separation of powers.

The SJC agreed with Rollins, saying the prosecutor's sole authority to determine when to prosecute "has been affirmed repeatedly by this court since the beginning of the 19th century"...and cited cases going back to 1806.

Just wanted to keep followers in the loop.

frankj1 wrote:



You gotta get out more.
The DA back tracked. She wanted ALL charges dropped but then acquiesced because cops were injured and out of work. She's a disgrace.
The SJC wasn't ruling on the case itself, but only on her ability to use her authority.


Frank, don't you find it even a little bit strange that the only ones facing charges are the only ones arrested and on video?
The DA is making the ASSUMPTION, against the will of the judge, that those not on camera were behaving and merely expressing their rights to free speech. Even with police testimony to the contrary.
The only thing that foiled the DA plans to release everyone are the videos and the injured cops.
This isn't a rogue judge that needs to be reeled in. This is a judge believing police reports over those of MASKED Antifa thugs who thought they could act with immunity. Because #Massachusetts.


But further to the point, NPR provided an update on today's morning drive.
The 7 antifa thugs were referred to as protesters and the dozen with the dropped charges were referred to as COUNTER protesters.



frankj1
7 years ago
original story that has yet to be discredited was that she has planned to fully prosecute the 8 (?) that the police said assaulted them.
and she should and will go after them vigorously.

the others were accused of disorderly conduct. The judge you believe in was shown to be overreaching by the Supreme Judicial Court.
They agreed with her.

I think you are incorrect. Be careful that the politics here aren't your own.

tailgater
7 years ago

original story that has yet to be discredited was that she has planned to fully prosecute the 8 (?) that the police said assaulted them.
and she should and will go after them vigorously.

the others were accused of disorderly conduct. The judge you believe in was shown to be overreaching by the Supreme Judicial Court.
They agreed with her.

I think you are incorrect. Be careful that the politics here aren't your own.

frankj1 wrote:



I'm not talking about modified accounts.
When the news initially broke, the DA wanted to drop charges for everyone. I heard the report on two separate radio stations and read it somewhere else.
It's what prompted my comment.

Only upon further investigation do we learn about the videos.


So let's take politics and precedence out of it.

Should a person accused of disorderly conduct be charged or simply released?

When police are reigning in 800 "counter" protesters against a "parade" of 200 marchers, don't you think it's prudent to listen to the cops when they tell you to move?
I know you've seen the videos. This wasn't peaceful opposition. The cops were proactive once it was clear that verbally demanding conformance wasn't an option. They were right to do so when many in the crowd wore face masks and stood in defiance of those commands and outnumbered parade marchers 4 to 1.

I get it.
The protesters wanted to project a perceived hatred on the event.
That's their right. They won't go to prison.
But they might go to jail and they might pay a fine.
The DA had no reason to step in.

But more to the point: would she do the same if the political leanings were reversed?

Answer that with honesty and you'll see what's going on.

frankj1
7 years ago

I'm not talking about modified accounts.
When the news initially broke, the DA wanted to drop charges for everyone. I heard the report on two separate radio stations and read it somewhere else.
It's what prompted my comment.

Only upon further investigation do we learn about the videos.


So let's take politics and precedence out of it.

Should a person accused of disorderly conduct be charged or simply released?

When police are reigning in 800 "counter" protesters against a "parade" of 200 marchers, don't you think it's prudent to listen to the cops when they tell you to move?
I know you've seen the videos. This wasn't peaceful opposition. The cops were proactive once it was clear that verbally demanding conformance wasn't an option. They were right to do so when many in the crowd wore face masks and stood in defiance of those commands and outnumbered parade marchers 4 to 1.

I get it.
The protesters wanted to project a perceived hatred on the event.
That's their right. They won't go to prison.
But they might go to jail and they might pay a fine.
The DA had no reason to step in.

But more to the point: would she do the same if the political leanings were reversed?

Answer that with honesty and you'll see what's going on.

tailgater wrote:


aside from correcting reported numbers from yours, 600 protesters, not 800, 36 or so charged as disorderly, not all of them, 24 of whom did not do much more than hold hands in a weak human chain, none of those did more than disobey police when the accused felt they were within their rights peacefully protesting, and several seriously agitated due to being pepper sprayed (I'm sure you saw those videos without mentioning it) 8 believed to have assaulted police...
I've been willing to follow your take(s) from this, even when they changed from media use of language to the AG's politics. Neither have been my issue. Hoping there won't be a third deflection from the events and how they came to be.

Have you ever thought it possible for there to be an "oppressed majority"?
Me neither.

If they call themselves that (oppressed), and then stage a march in counterpoint to the recent Gay Pride whatever it was, then they have identified themselves as protesters intent on stirring chit up, and using counterprotesters to describe those who jeered them is proper, even though so many times the opposition was called protesters and the marchers called, um, marchers in the MSM ...and that's not even anything I care much about either.

Stop ignoring the organizers of this parade and you'll see why we are where we are now. A gay right wing extremist decides he needs to champion the oppressed straight cause? PUHLEEEZE!

Forget the media, forget the AG...look at the way this was orchestrated. Our tiff is just another side benefit to the right wing extremist's goal.

You've been manipulated.
tailgater
7 years ago

aside from correcting reported numbers from yours, 600 protesters, not 800, 36 or so charged as disorderly, not all of them, 24 of whom did not do much more than hold hands in a weak human chain, none of those did more than disobey police when the accused felt they were within their rights peacefully protesting, and several seriously agitated due to being pepper sprayed (I'm sure you saw those videos without mentioning it) 8 believed to have assaulted police...
I've been willing to follow your take(s) from this, even when they changed from media use of language to the AG's politics. Neither have been my issue. Hoping there won't be a third deflection from the events and how they came to be.

Have you ever thought it possible for there to be an "oppressed majority"?
Me neither.

If they call themselves that (oppressed), and then stage a march in counterpoint to the recent Gay Pride whatever it was, then they have identified themselves as protesters intent on stirring chit up, and using counterprotesters to describe those who jeered them is proper, even though so many times the opposition was called protesters and the marchers called, um, marchers in the MSM ...and that's not even anything I care much about either.

Stop ignoring the organizers of this parade and you'll see why we are where we are now. A gay right wing extremist decides he needs to champion the oppressed straight cause? PUHLEEEZE!

Forget the media, forget the AG...look at the way this was orchestrated. Our tiff is just another side benefit to the right wing extremist's goal.

You've been manipulated.

frankj1 wrote:



See?
You're in this one deep, my friend.

I clearly state that the parade is ridiculous. I don't care who was in it. Or who was against it. It's stupid.

But now you're now trying to defend the protesters because you agree with them. And worse, your post seems to imply that I agree with the parade goers. Despite what I've clearly stated many times now.
Your diatribe is pointless. Or more accurately, you're arguing a point that doesn't exist.

I'm saying the judge was right to agree with the police. Not that the parader were justified.
The police were there to keep the peace. Some of the protesters resisted. They get slapped on the wrist and live another day. Right?
Nope.

The DA said NO. Because she agrees with your politics. The politics you show above that have nothing to do with justice being served.
A righteous person can still break the law.
Yet without video evidence the masked antifa thugs would have been spared prosecution because of the DA's politics.

That's not free speech. That's a free pass.




frankj1
7 years ago

See?
You're in this one deep, my friend.

I clearly state that the parade is ridiculous. I don't care who was in it. Or who was against it. It's stupid.

But now you're now trying to defend the protesters because you agree with them. And worse, your post seems to imply that I agree with the parade goers. Despite what I've clearly stated many times now.
Your diatribe is pointless. Or more accurately, you're arguing a point that doesn't exist.

I'm saying the judge was right to agree with the police. Not that the parader were justified.
The police were there to keep the peace. Some of the protesters resisted. They get slapped on the wrist and live another day. Right?
Nope.

The DA said NO. Because she agrees with your politics. The politics you show above that have nothing to do with justice being served.
A righteous person can still break the law.
Yet without video evidence the masked antifa thugs would have been spared prosecution because of the DA's politics.

That's not free speech. That's a free pass.




tailgater wrote:


let's try this:

in the beginning, a Breitbart Gay Extreme Right Wing Nut gives birth to something that both you and I think is silly.
But initially we don't know about his involvement nor the involvement in a White Supremacist group of the publicized leader.

It just looked like a legal, silly response to an equally legal, silly and unnecessary demonstration...our politics jibe on this, I believe.

Everything after is debatable, carries importance, but is not weirdly out of character for any of the players as we keep reproving, but the word "after" is key...how and why did this even happen?

Revisit "in the beginning..."

All that followed, upon which you seem stuck, (first by nouns used in the media, then the DA's politics, then whatever) is part of the desired aftermath of the original fringe rightists, and even the continuing debate/divide we see here (not just you and me) may also be part of a bigger picture.

Had this been a couple of hundred Fundamentalists doing what Fundamentalists do, then the reaction might be bigger news to me. I'd see it, give it a yawn, and move on. But something about this group makes no sense at all. Their surface purpose is that silly thing we have agreed on from the get go

But there appears to be a sinister motive not initially known by either of us from a camouflaged extremist group, headed by a White Supremacist in concert with a GAY right wing nut! Actually, someone Fundamentalists would shun, yet here they are parading?

Why did any of this happen? What was the motive, the goals of the extremists (not the happy little families with signs).

I'm looking in the shadows here and you're trying to score points for your team versus the team to which you've assigned me.
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