frankj1
6 years ago
you misheard.
He said strain the swamp. Not drain the swamp.
He kept the big chunks.
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Abrignac
6 years ago

Ya know... even knowing he won’t get removed, and believing breaking the law to withhold funds in order to ask another country to announce an investigation in to your political opponent is sort of bad, having him removed from the ballot is a bridge too far and nothing I could ever support.

If anyone approves of using government funds to encourage investigations in to their political rivals recognizing if we bless this the other party will do this as well then they should get a chance to vote for that.

If anyone believes this is not what really happened on the surface I question if they should vote but it is America so it’s their right.

Either way removing him from the ballot is stupid. I think trying to remove him is stupid too. Let the next election decide and if we are stupid enough to re-elect we deserve him and deserve this sort of activity from both sides. We are saying it’s ok.

teedubbya wrote:



I certainly hope you are not so naïve to think that he's the only POTUS to ever manipulate government finances to his advantage. His crime was picking disloyal subordinates. You know that, I know that and the whole world knows that. Never in my 54 years have I seen the number of leaks by high level staff under any other administration. Had that been the case in previous administrations, this wouldn't even be a blip on the radar.

There is no smoking gun. No one has stated first hand that he withheld those funds until an investigation into the Bidens was launched.

For emphasis, let me state it again and again and again and again:

There has been ABSOLUTLY ZERO direct evidence presented to prove this wicked deed.

There has been ABSOLUTLY ZERO direct evidence presented to prove this wicked deed.

There has been ABSOLUTLY ZERO direct evidence presented to prove this wicked deed.

There has been ABSOLUTLY ZERO direct evidence presented to prove this wicked deed.


Notice I didn't say he was innocent. Just saying this isn't the first time the Office of President has been abused.

So once again I ask if this is were we want to be at this time? House Democrats created an Article of Impeachment out of something that should be decided by the Judicial branch. House Democrats ignored due process with it's impeachment inquiry. This in of itself should be considered a Constitutional crisis.

This has been a sham since day one. The DEM's know they can't prove a damn thing without some direct evidence. So they created a huge smokescreen consisting of what they wanted, but not what could be proven. They did this to harm Trump. Nothing more, nothing less. As Pelosi said when announcing the Articles about how they had been doing it for two and a half years. Yet, the alleged event didn't occur until we were well into those two and a half years.

Again I'm not saying I condone the alleged action. I'm just not blind to the fact that this has been going on since the days of George Washington. I'm also saying that we don't live in such a granular society and that we don't get the kernel without beating off the chaff.
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teedubbya
6 years ago
If you believe this is normal or ok then that’s that.
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fishinguitarman
6 years ago
You’re not normal
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Krazeehorse
6 years ago
I'm not convinced Trump did anything anywhere near an impeachable offense. I'm nearly certain impeachments with be much more frequent than ever imaginable.
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delta1
6 years ago
what if it was 2015, and it was Obama who did all the things that Trump did, and it was Trump who Obama wanted investigated...
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Burner02
6 years ago

what if it was 2015, and it was Obama who did all the things that Trump did, and it was Trump who Obama wanted investigated...

delta1 wrote:




Best I recall Trump was investigated. And you can bet that Pres O knew it was happening and did nothing to put the brakes on.
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Mrs. dpnewell
6 years ago

what if it was 2015, and it was Obama who did all the things that Trump did, and it was Trump who Obama wanted investigated...

delta1 wrote:



Yet Obama, the hypocritical media, and many on the left had no problem with the FBI investigating Trump's campaign in an attempt to influence the 2016 election.

David
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delta1
6 years ago
#87 and #88^^...ummmmm....not quite, but you're somewhere in the ballpark...


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/how-old-claims-compare-to-ig-report/ 
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Abrignac
6 years ago

#87 and #88^^...ummmmm....not quite, but you're somewhere in the ballpark...


https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/how-old-claims-compare-to-ig-report/ 

delta1 wrote:



Did you see that part about no bias? Not sure what to call Strock & Page’s behavior if it’s not biased. BTW, you do realize fact-check.org is a left leaning organization?
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Abrignac
6 years ago

If you believe this is normal or ok then that’s that.

teedubbya wrote:



It’s about as normal as Obama/Biden’s FBI securing a FISA warrant based on phony information. Or leaking a story about a dossier compiled by a foreign agent then quoting that story as part of the FISA warrant application.

So yeah, I’d say it’s unfortunately pretty normal.
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delta1
6 years ago
yes...to describe the opening of the investigation or decision-making during it.

The involvement of Strzok and Page did not lead to the start/opening of the investigation nor contributed any decision making to it: they played small parts near the beginning of Mueller's investigation and they were immediately relieved of any further involvement immediately after their bias was revealed. I know you have a law enforcement background and are pretty savvy about law enforcement personnel in general...you would agree that most professional law enforcement personnel are conservatives, and most make every effort to not let their own personal political opinions surface during their work...

The biggest deal with the IG's report was the number of inconsistencies in the FBI's process for obtaining a FISA warrant. If they don't clean that up, then can we ever trust any federal law enforcement investigation to get and use warrants from the FISA courts, without consistent and perhaps invasive and crippling oversight/verification...and by whom?

I'm always skeptical about letting any law enforcement agencies, let alone the top federal agency, get permission to conduct secret surveillance of anyone, including Americans, but in the age of terrorism, in the aftermath of 9/11 that may be a necessary evil to prevent other attacks.


Factcheck has a loftier reputation, and was trusted by the right when they ruled Obama was wrong for accusing Romney of being a vulture capitalist....I guess it is perceived differently, depending on the decisions of "fact" they make...it is odd that we now have become a society where "facts" are always in dispute...
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ZRX1200
6 years ago
The FBI lies.

They do so all the time.

They’ve done so for longer than I’ve been alive.

Do you ❤️ Them when they lie to go after the most powerful man in American politics? I guess.........so where does that leave the average citizen Al?

You know there’s people who didn’t vote for him that aren’t his fans that are even more disgusted by behavior that actually sets precedent and has a longer lasting impact than a potty mouth and behavior that is no different than ANY RECENT POTUS.
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Abrignac
6 years ago

yes...to describe the opening of the investigation or decision-making during it.

The involvement of Strzok and Page did not lead to the start/opening of the investigation nor contributed any decision making to it: they played small parts near the beginning of Mueller's investigation and they were immediately relieved of any further involvement immediately after their bias was revealed. I know you have a law enforcement background and are pretty savvy about law enforcement personnel in general...you would agree that most professional law enforcement personnel are conservatives, and most make every effort to not let their own personal political opinions surface during their work...

The biggest deal with the IG's report was the number of inconsistencies in the FBI's process for obtaining a FISA warrant. If they don't clean that up, then can we ever trust any federal law enforcement investigation to get and use warrants from the FISA courts, without consistent and perhaps invasive and crippling oversight/verification...and by whom?

I'm always skeptical about letting any law enforcement agencies, let alone the top federal agency, get permission to conduct secret surveillance of anyone, including Americans, but in the age of terrorism, in the aftermath of 9/11 that may be a necessary evil to prevent other attacks.


Factcheck has a loftier reputation, and was trusted by the right when they ruled Obama was wrong for accusing Romney of being a vulture capitalist....I guess it is perceived differently, depending on the decisions of "fact" they make...it is odd that we now have become a society where "facts" are always in dispute...

delta1 wrote:



I’ve met LEO’s across the political spectrum. More importantly though I’ve seen the fallout of what a few vindictive LEO’s did to rivals. My first employer was convicted of murder and sentenced to life in prison. He died while incarcerated after serving 20 or so years in prison. The case was a setup from the start. I seen many other cases overthrown when secrets were spilled. On the other hand, I think you are being very generous in regards to Stozk and Page. Though the may now have helped initiate the investigation IIRC Strozk was one of the senior members of the team.


Strzok rose to become a Deputy Assistant Director (one of several) of the Counterintelligence Division, the second-highest position in that division. He also led the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections.

The IG's investigation examined thousands of text messages exchanged using FBI-issued cell phones between Strzok and Lisa Page, with whom he was having an affair. She was also a trial attorney on Mueller's team.

Wikipedia wrote:

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delta1
6 years ago
Strzok and Page's bias was discovered very early in the investigation, and they were removed immediately...

Mueller started his special investigation in May, 2017, brought Strzok on in June, and dropped him in July, 2017...the investigation concluded in March, 2019...
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delta1
6 years ago

The FBI lies.

They do so all the time.

They’ve done so for longer than I’ve been alive.

Do you ❤️ Them when they lie to go after the most powerful man in American politics? I guess.........so where does that leave the average citizen Al?

You know there’s people who didn’t vote for him that aren’t his fans that are even more disgusted by behavior that actually sets precedent and has a longer lasting impact than a potty mouth and behavior that is no different than ANY RECENT POTUS.

ZRX1200 wrote:




of course the FBI has a long history of questionable conduct, but mostly in protecting the status quo while going after minorities and people on the "margins" of our society...most cons were fine with that...

to be fair, in any contested investigation, there can be reviews, and the IG did one here...
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