8trackdisco
6 years ago

Fixed that for you...

If I go back and work the last 2 months, it'll go by quickly, and even if they're only paying me 50% of my sick time when I retire... it's still $7,500-$8,000 and it'll go into my 401a along with my vacation time. That's a fat chunk o change when you add them together, buddy. And since I won't be contributing to my investments after May 20 it'll max me out for CY2020 when you add my cash-outs to what I've put in so far.

MACS wrote:



Still think you are crazy.
8trackdisco
6 years ago

It took all three of her children (one a pediatrician) to convince my 81 mother to stop working. She's part-time at an auto dealership that must be a petri dish. Hope she gets her job back...

rfenst wrote:



All auto dealers are Petri dishes.
MACS
6 years ago

Still think you are crazy.

8trackdisco wrote:



Well, you've met me, so....
rfenst
6 years ago

All auto dealers are Petri dishes.

8trackdisco wrote:


It's a pretty cool Honda dealership. Price on the car is printed in the window of each car. No negotiation. Period. Sales people get bonused on how many units they sell per month, not price of the vehicles. Makes buying a car much less stressful. Take it or leave it.
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

Could be as simple as they aren't testing. You'd be amazed at how many people in your population can not die of a disease if you never verify they had it.

victor809 wrote:


Of course there are other factors aplenty:

6. probable severe lack of testing in many areas

Pudding Mittens wrote:


Or it could be there’s more heat there in Africa right now making it more difficult for the virus to survive outside a host

ZRX1200 wrote:


Excellent point, very well could be a big factor. If so, summer has to get here fast!

At today's press conference, they said they're going to do two things in parallel starting now:

1. Doctors able to prescribe the two drugs off-label for COVID-19
2. A larger-scale formal well-controlled study of the two drugs against COVID-19.

#2 will provide high-quality, high-reliability results on effectiveness within months.

#1, though, should provide a large number of anecdotal results within a week.

The quality of #2 is better than #1, but #1 is going to be much faster and very persuasive if hundreds or thousands of "holy schitt it cured all / almost all my patients in only 6 days!" results start to emerge from doctors in the field.

Prediction: I am a medical layman, but my job and hobbies all involve pattern recognition and interpreting multiple partial data-points to infer conclusions. Data points:

1. French study showing, at 6 days, control (nothing but conventional care) 12.5% cure, anti-malarial only 57% cure, combination 100% cure (but only a 6-patient group got both).

2. Chinese data indicating the anti-malarial is very effective. Grain of salt, it's China, they lie a lot.

3. Australian data indicating the anti-malarial is very effective. Has more weight than China's reports.

4. Almost no COVID-19 in Africa where the anti-malarial is widely used. Many other variables though, likely little testing, need comparision of COVID-19 rates vs. anti-malarial use per-region across Africa to see if there's good correlation, which I don't think anyone's done yet.

5. The anti-malarial drug was seemingly effective against the similar coronavirus SARS, although the data wasn't high-quality and highly-controlled.

6. Azithromycin kills other virii (Zika, Ebola) in vitro, currently unknown if in vivo, and it's also well-known to seemingly help with viral infections in vivo somehow despite being an antibiotic that's only supposed to help bacterial infections. The mechanisms of help against viral infections are not well-understood, but have been widely noted for years, and may be, in whole or in part, related to the in vitro virus-killing action that's been observed.

7. A mechanism of action for the anti-malarial to interfere with viral replication is known.

IMO while each point separately is merely mildly-to-moderately suggestive, considered together, data points #1-7 are collectively persuasive, therefore I predict this two-drug combination will be highly effective and a cure or a mostly/usually-cure.

Dr. Fauci seems to not be a fan of doing what I just did (inferring things from the weight of multiple partial data points) and instead he seems to only want to talk about high-quality conclusive studies, but in this situation, assembling partial data points and making inferences is useful. So don't get too upset when he downplays this.
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USNGunner
6 years ago

Dr. Fauci seems to not be a fan of doing what I just did (inferring things from the weight of multiple partial data points) and instead he seems to only want to talk about high-quality conclusive studies, but in this situation, assembling partial data points and making inferences is useful. So don't get too upset when he downplays this.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:



And in a perfect world I would concur. But sometime you have to drop your pants and slide on the ice. Folks are dying, it's worth a shot. Time to sort the bio-mechanics out later. Let's nip this shiite in the bud. Now. [frypan]
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

And in a perfect world I would concur. But sometime you have to drop your pants and slide on the ice. Folks are dying, it's worth a shot. Time to sort the bio-mechanics out later. Let's nip this shiite in the bud. Now. [frypan]

USNGunner wrote:


Agreed 100%. Life-and-death exigent circumstances, ESPECIALLY involving a pair of drugs both with safety profiles well-understood via prior use in hundreds of millions of people for decades, definitely call for loosening data quality standards (within reason) and inferring things from multiple partial or non-perfect data sets.

Lots of "dots" tell a story, we shouldn't be afraid to connect those "dots" and figure out what story that seems to be.

I highly suspect he'll get his high-quality confirmation eventually, but well after lots and lots of anecdotal success reports come flooding in.

But by then, the formal confirmation will be a mere formality, released after the pandemic's abrupt end due to massive distribution and successful use worldwide. Let's hope.

The really cool part is, this two-drug combo may be useful against other coronaviruses or even other classes of virii, leading to cures for common influenza, SARS, MERS, and very possibly whatever the next mutated coronavirus ends up being (COVID-20, 21, etc.)

Fingers crossed, but like Trump, I have a very good feeling about this.
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izonfire
6 years ago
Also, you have to consider, if the public is told that this is easily curable, they will all stop isolating, social distancing, wearing masks, and all other precautionary measures thinking that this is over. I mean schitt, even with all the public announcements, there are still plenty of idiots out in the streets who are too stupid to alter their behavior whatsoever. (personally, I feel very strongly that those people should be turned into biofuel, but that's for another discussion)

Perhaps they are strategically holding back information for the good of society. I remain very optimistic, no matter how much TW tries to drag me down...
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

Also, you have to consider, if the public is told that this is easily curable, they will all stop isolating, social distancing, wearing masks, and all other precautionary measures thinking that this is over. I mean schitt, even with all the public announcements, there are still plenty of idiots out in the streets who are too stupid to alter their behavior whatsoever. (personally, I feel very strongly that those people should be turned into biofuel, but that's for another discussion)

Perhaps they are strategically holding back information for the good of society. I remain very optimistic, no matter how much TW tries to drag me down...

izonfire wrote:


Bingo, izonfire. You nailed it.

Connecting dots like these in the mass media, in this situation, can be highly dangerous. The public is mostly uneducated on this complicated and esoteric topic and will naively jump to conclusions with possibly disastrous results.

This kind of thing is where Dr. Fauci's tendencies make good sense. He's very hesitant to say anything before we have real proof, especially with media cameras aimed at him. It's a smart move.

The people who need to know this stuff, the experts working 24x7 to get the proof we need, already know it, they certanly don't need CNN to tell them about it. They're connecting the dots with their expert peers quietly and in private, which is ideal.

This is why I say don't let the official press conferences get you down. More is known, and more is being investigated, than you'll hear said at those events.
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delta1
6 years ago
which makes our CiC, the Wizard of Alls, look even less informed in comparison...
MACS
6 years ago
If this crap has been going on in China since November of last year, and we had no idea until this year, I'd be willing to wager it's been here for a whole lot longer than we know; and a lot more mofos have it and have had it and got over it than we even know about.
tonygraz
6 years ago
We are all going to die !
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

We are all going to die !

tonygraz wrote:


Technically correct, but hopefully of old age!
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Pudding Mittens
6 years ago

which makes our CiC, the Wizard of Alls, look even less informed in comparison...

delta1 wrote:


Reading between the lines of what Trump has said in the last two daily press conferences, including little offhand extra clauses and parentheticals he's added to his sentences, I suspect he was told some of this dot-connecting preliminary reasoning by the experts, but understandably in public statements at this time he can only drop hints (e.g. "just a feeling" and such) and can't get into the details.... yet.
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USNGunner
6 years ago

If this crap has been going on in China since November of last year, and we had no idea until this year, I'd be willing to wager it's been here for a whole lot longer than we know; and a lot more mofos have it and have had it and got over it than we even know about.

MACS wrote:



That is absolutely true. Which really has me wondering WTF? I'm wondering if the damn thing mutated as it spread.

Because it hammered the shiite out of Italia. Fast. There is a lot of traffic between Europe and China. Why didn't the cork blow sooner? Too much weird stuff going on with this.

Don't know, doesn't matter, gotta ride it out. 🐴
Speyside
6 years ago
How do we know it wasn't in China sooner than November?
teedubbya
6 years ago
As for the overly optimistic narrative in here I love it. Hope it’s right.

Occam’s razor usually prevails.
Speyside
6 years ago
"Things should be made as simple as possible — but not simpler" Albert Einstein
frankj1
6 years ago

As for the overly optimistic narrative in here I love it. Hope it’s right.

Occam’s razor usually prevails.

teedubbya wrote:


I make all life or death medical decisions based on research posted on a discount cigar forum.
Jaderose taught me to do that years ago.
Speyside
6 years ago
And you're still alive? A miracle, a verifiable miracle. The Catholic church will put you up for sainthood. Wait, I forgot, never mind.
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