teedubbya
6 years ago

By "healthcare experts" I was referring to the people at the top of the various government agencies who didn't have the nuts to speak out forcefully.
I know for a fact there were many people in the private sector (epidemiologists, researchers, etc.) who were alarmed very early on, and at least a few mid and lower level government types, who probably simply don't carry enough weight to have an impact.
That doesn't excuse their weakazz bosses
The message was not delivered with the proper urgency by the people at the top........imho.
I'd like to know WHY!

Fear of losing a job, probably a high paying job? Maybe they tried and were told to fuq off? Who knows.

The Chinese government did a fine job spinning their BS, which contributed greatly to this mess, but that's going to eventually unravel on them.

KingoftheCove wrote:



And that is one of the problems I have with this administration. Their science phobia got in the way. And trust me their gag orders and information embargo is something to behold. This time it contributed to a disaster.
8trackdisco
6 years ago

And that is one of the problems I have with this administration. Their science phobia got in the way. And trust me their gag orders and information embargo is something to behold. This time it contributed to a disaster.

teedubbya wrote:



No different in corporate America. NDAs cover up much more chit than people will ever realize.

Careers get sick and die because of them.
Pudding Mittens
6 years ago
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FYI, there's a channel on YouTube called "MedCram" where an M.D. explains various things, and their claim to fame is that they present the details clearly in the videos so they're easier to understand and they use memorable illustrations to help people recall the stuff later.

They have a long-running series of daily (Monday through Friday anyway) updates on the latest coronavirus developments. They're numbered. I think Friday's was 45, if I remember right. I've watched them since they were in the 30s.

They're good and worth watching each day. You'll hear stuff you won't hear elsewhere, you'll get more detail on certain things than you would elsewhere, and they do indeed explain clearly and with nice illustrations to help you retain the material.

Have a look. "MedCram" channel then look for the numbered coronavirus update videos.
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teedubbya
6 years ago
8 I never intended to work for the government. I was recruited and my headhunter told me to stay no more than 2 years or I would be branded.

One of the refreshing things I found was transparency. I kept very few secrets like I had to in the private for profit or not for profit world. Not loose lips sink ships but straight forward truth telling with no proprietary crap to protect. Foia ruled the day and if it was foiable we pretty much just released things.

It was one of the upsides and refreshing.

That has changed in recent years. It’s unsettling. And I do believe it’s hurt us.
8trackdisco
6 years ago

8 I never intended to work for the government. I was recruited and my headhunter told me to stay no more than 2 years or I would be branded.

One of the refreshing things I found was transparency. I kept very few secrets like I had to in the private for profit or not for profit world. Not loose lips sink ships but straight forward truth telling with no proprietary crap to protect. Foia ruled the day and if it was foiable we pretty much just released things.

It was one of the upsides and refreshing.

That has changed in recent years. It’s unsettling. And I do believe it’s hurt us.

teedubbya wrote:



What is foia?
teedubbya
6 years ago
Freedom of information act
KingoftheCove
6 years ago
Freedom of info act
teedubbya
6 years ago
Which gets ignored or abused now days
KingoftheCove
6 years ago
Probably should be renamed now to
FOSIA

Freedom of SOME info act....
teedubbya
6 years ago
It’s the government. Unless it’s national security, personal private, procurement, or private proprietary information not much should be secret..... until lately when we don’t like it, we don’t believe in it, and it doesn’t make us look good have been added. Not legally but in practice.
teedubbya
6 years ago
As for doing the right thing... that would be deep stateish which doesn’t exist. I had a regional administrator once tell the entire staff during an admin change that we are whores.... we do what whomever is in power tells us period. There are whistleblower “protections” but we all see how those have been viewed as of late.

If you want a closed down secretive government we are well on our way regardless of political affiliation. Sometimes in the immediate trivial political fights the big picture gets missed.
USNGunner
6 years ago
teedubbya
6 years ago
Sometimes dead is better
delta1
6 years ago
I have a DNR...if I'm close, in pain and it's inevitable...give me the shot...

in the meantime...I'm social distancing until the virus crisis abates

even then, may avoid crowded places...definitely not going on anymore cruises...



USNGunner
6 years ago
Well, I had to go for a walk this morning. I took my sidewalk chalk and marked the places the concrete was warmer. Very interesting. I can't figure out all the yelling and screaming though.

https://imgur.com/gallery/OD1CkLY 
Speyside
6 years ago
Al, this is a wake up call for the world. The world wasn't prepared. The world has acted to slowly. The world needs to learn from this and plan a world wide step by step procedure for a pandemic. Fortunatly the morbidity rate is low, about 1/2 %, possibly lower. What if a pandemic occurs with a 30% morbidity rate?
USNGunner
6 years ago

Al, this is a wake up call for the world. The world wasn't prepared. The world has acted to slowly. The world needs to learn from this and plan a world wide step by step procedure for a pandemic. Fortunatly the morbidity rate is low, about 1/2 %, possibly lower. What if a pandemic occurs with a 30% morbidity rate?

Speyside wrote:



Not true. I was. I am. For me and mine. There are a bunch of us actually.

Not everyone is laying around watching tiger king and lolly gagging. Some of us are keeping a weather eye out on the world. I've been prepping since the first outbreaks in November, and got seriously motivated when it hit Hong Kong. I knew right then we were toast. Too much traffic in and out at the Chinese New Year.

Folks give us ****, but when things go south, we're the ones stepping up and pulling the rest out.

Doesn't mean I can't still get it, but I'm minimizing our risk factors the the best that I can manage them.
delta1
6 years ago

Al, this is a wake up call for the world. The world wasn't prepared. The world has acted to slowly. The world needs to learn from this and plan a world wide step by step procedure for a pandemic. Fortunatly the morbidity rate is low, about 1/2 %, possibly lower. What if a pandemic occurs with a 30% morbidity rate?

Speyside wrote:





scary thought...pretty sure people will return to "normal" after a few years, and engage in behavior that contributes to the spread of diseases...the globalization that started 5-6 centuries ago is complete...the global economy is here and there's no way to reverse that process...too much money driving globalization and that will arrest the populist nationalism trend...

but we can learn that at the first sign of an outbreak, stop what we're doing and evaluate how the contagion spreads and take steps to CONTAIN...


Not true. I was. I am. For me and mine. There are a bunch of us actually.

Not everyone is laying around watching tiger king and lolly gagging. Some of us are keeping a weather eye out on the world. I've been prepping since the first outbreaks in November, and got seriously motivated when it hit Hong Kong. I knew right then we were toast. Too much traffic in and out at the Chinese New Year.

Folks give us ****, but when things go south, we're the ones stepping up and pulling the rest out.

Doesn't mean I can't still get it, but I'm minimizing our risk factors the the best that I can manage them.

USNGunner wrote:




I think spey was talking about mankind, in general...there are pockets of people like you, who are prepared, and there were plenty of public health experts and the like, who warned everybody...but we, as a species, seem oblivious to real danger if we're not confronted by it everyday...we're hopeful for the best, and that may be a reason for our survival, too...
Speyside
6 years ago
Gunner I get that, on an individual level, many of us are prepared as best we can. I am talking on a governmental, national level.
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