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victor809
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6 years ago

#661

Note on deaths.... I saw a reference in the stats aggregate I was checking out that indicates NYC is no longer testing people who die at home without getting tested first. They are now estimating like 100-200 COVID-19 deaths a day are not going to get recorded. Simply don't have the manpower to do the testing of someone who's already dead.

But that'll make the death rate look a little different going forward.

corey sellers
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#662

He was talking about alot of puss y running around

Pudding Mittens
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6 years ago

#663

Looks like numbers yesterday were good.
Dunno if that was an anomaly of the statistics, or a reporting error or what. We'll see what today's final numbers are, but maybe we're finally slowing our increase in cases....

victor809 wrote:

That may just mean that soon, everyone can come out of hiding and quickly get infected in a big "second wave" because almost zero herd immunity has developed due to all the isolation.

Sweden is taking a radically different approach. They're going on with their lives as usual. Big weddings, other gatherings, work, school, eating inside restaurants, etc. same as ever. They're trying to get herd immunity going, and are letting the chips fall where they may in the process, just like everyone does with the normal flu, which kills hundreds of thousands worldwide every year with zero media fanfare. They are not destroying their economy and locking everyone up in their houses, at all.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with them.
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teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#664

Uk tried that for awhile and was heralded for not killing their economy etc.

victor809
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#665

I mean.... I'm all for sacrificing people to save the economy... that's what America was built on.

But I'm not sure that's effective in this case, and I'm not sure that Sweden is doing it how you describe either. Sounds to me like gatherings of over 50ppl are still banned, and schools are canceled. They just are maybe allowing bars/restaurants to remain open.

teedubbya
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6 years ago

#666

Prayers for Boris. In ICU.

Pudding Mittens
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6 years ago

#667

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One of the problems with the whole "hurt the economy to save lives!" idea is that hurting the economy COSTS lives, in many ways. By shutting down the economy to a significant degree, you in effect cause lots of extra people to die who otherwise would not have.

So it's not "economy/jobs/dollars versus lives", sadly not nearly that simple.
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victor809
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6 years ago

#668

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One of the problems with the whole "hurt the economy to save lives!" idea is that hurting the economy COSTS lives, in many ways. By shutting down the economy to a significant degree, you in effect cause lots of extra people to die who otherwise would not have.

So it's not "dollars versus lives", sadly not nearly that simple.
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Pudding Mittens wrote:

Course not. But it's also not lives vs dollars.
People dying or being hospitalized en mass also costs money. Treating 100k people all at once costs more than treating 20k every 2 weeks over the course of 2 months (or however it would be dragged out) because scaling up the necessary medical equipment is a resource cost.
People being hospitalized in huge amounts is a large disruption to our economy. These are people who may not be insured, will not be able to make their rent or mortgage payments etc etc.

Like I said. If it was just "let some extra people die and be able to keep the economy trucking along" I'd throw all you old and/or co-morbid people under the economy bus... (except frank, we'll keep frank quarantined for our nation's good). But someone made good arguments to me that letting a bunch of people die/get sick in the short term will still have the economic chaos we're seeing now, but with extra added medical chaos.

victor809
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6 years ago

#669

Prayers for Boris. In ICU.

teedubbya wrote:

thoughts too.

can't forget to send him those extra important thoughts.

(snicker)

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#670

And vice versa. Letting this run it’s course unchecked would obliterate the economy.

Like a wave a certain segment of the media keeps pushing towards opening things up. I noticed Sweden was the hot topic this morning. On the day the same media (who for way too long thought this was just the flu) was pushing the same message about the UK the UK changed it’s plan. Some of their experts have been easily discredited.

Boris to that point minimized things and kept shaking hands etc. now he’s in icu and his pregnant girlfriend sounds pretty rough.

Stay the course. It’s hard but we can do it.

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teedubbya
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6 years ago

#671

The test showing who has had it is key. And it’s not far off.

It also looks like some promising treatments are coming. Not the ones some get wood over. All too late for wave 1.

victor809
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6 years ago

#672

Shana's lurking.

Prolly looking to ban TW.

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#673

I didn’t do it

ShanaC@CigarBid
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6 years ago

#674

Shana's lurking.

Prolly looking to ban TW.

victor809 wrote:

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ShanaC@CigarBid
Moderator

6 years ago

#675

Macs - stay safe.

Everyone else too. It's tough man...

teedubbya
Herf-A-Holic

6 years ago

#676

Is Sven in the homeland? If so tell him to shelter in place.

victor809
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6 years ago

#677

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ShanaC@CigarBid wrote:

o:) 😇 😇

Pudding Mittens
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6 years ago

#678

The test showing who has had it is key. And it’s not far off.

teedubbya wrote:

Does this matter though, when there are a lot of reports of people who got over it, and then got re-infected again?

Some perhaps were the "false negatives sandwiched between positives" thing (where you're positive, then fake-negative, then fake-negative again so the docs say "cured!", then you're positive again... but you were REALLY ALWAYS positive).

What if some of them weren't though? What if somebody really did beat it, really did test negative (real negative), then later got infected by it again? South Korea, from what I heard, has reported over 50 of these cases.

This would render "who has already had it" tests at least somewhat irrelevant. At that point, only a vaccine would matter (assuming it really could PERMANENTLY prevent infection).

It also looks like some promising treatments are coming. Not the ones some get wood over. All too late for wave 1.

Yeah, the longer you stay in your house, the more time you're allowing for ass-kicking treatments to be found. That's a big, big benefit of staying holed up.
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Speyside
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6 years ago

#679

What way does hurting the economy cost lives. I am curious. Please be specific. I am tired of the idiotic clams that using non proved medications for COVID 19 medicines can't hurt anyone. Tell that to people with Lupus who can't buy their medicine. Now telling me that hurting the economy kills is another idiotic idea. Back it up with facts, not internet rambling, or political sabre rattling, but facts. Oh, by the way to date these untested for COVID 19 medications have not proved that they make a numerical improvent and that is a FACT!

Pudding Mittens
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6 years ago

#680

What way does hurting the economy cost lives. I am curious. Please be specific.

Speyside wrote:

1. Isolation nearly 24x7 worsening mental illness leading to suicides.

2. Job/business/investment/life-savings losses causing poverty and despair leading to suicides.

3. Job/business/investment/life-savings losses causing homelessness leading to death (by violent attacks, exposure, disease, etc.)

4. Close quarters nearly-24x7 living causing increases in domestic violence, some of it fatal.

5. Job loss causing health insurance loss causing "condition upkeep neglect" (can no longer afford maintenance drugs, routine appointments, ongoing treatments, etc. for serious pre-existing non-COVID19-related health conditions) often leading to death.

6. If it goes on long enough, breakdown of services, supply chains and social order leading to mass criminal violence and large numbers of deaths.

There are a lot of others, that other people here can probably list. Those are just off the top of my head.
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