I had just heard that Sweden did not lock down and that their epidemiologists were focusing more on sheltering the at risk and developing herd immunity.

They do still have some restrictions, no groups of more than 50 being one of them. Schools, bars and restaurants still open.

MACS wrote:

who are you gonna believe?

the conservative media is promoting what would be best for businesses and corporate interests, without regard for the working people upon whom many of those businesses rely for their work forces...their advocacy does not include data from educated medical experts and practitioners ...and seems to avoid the actual human toll this pandemic has caused, in just the opening round...

hardly ever see any epidemiologist, emergency medical practitioners, public health experts or scientists who've studied pandemics in conservative media advocating for business as usual...only conservative economists, aligned with industry, and political opinion generators and shapers...they all tout their anti government, anti science, anti social contracts beliefs...it is this pro personal liberty and freedom and let everyone fend for themselves philosophy which allows big business and corporate interests to thrive and prosper...


then the media on the left seem to have a glut of gloom and doom scientists, public health experts, epidemiologists, emergency medical practitioners, and give constant updates on the numbers of infected people and the deaths, and all the bad things the virus does to the human body if you're lucky to survive...all from the perspective that we as a society are in this together and can better protect each individual if we band together and do what is in the interests of the society...barely acknowledging the disastrous effect on businesses and corporate interests...


who do you believe? those who care about businesses....... or those who care about people's health?

delta1 wrote:

You're right on most of that. I think the "herd immunity" concept has been added in by some rightwing anchor though.
The swedish public health agency has themselves stated they are not trying to achieve herd immunity.

somehow this fantasy of herd immunity got started and it's been popping up on Fox a lot now.

victor809 wrote:

All people that are perfectly employed. They’re more on the same side than it appears.

Corporate interest got taken care of in the stimulus packages. Small businesses and independent contractors are scratching to survive. We killed them and handed everything to big business. Both the Rs and the Ds did this.

HockeyDad wrote:

I don't really know the detail about what Sweden is doing. I'd have admit I was being an internet warrior expert to say I did. I have been looking at interesting data out of New Zealand though. It's all preliminary and I don't know what to make of it.

teedubbya wrote:

They never were other than in here.... thus the sarcasm that got missed.

teedubbya wrote:

I'm with you here. The political arguments on what to do are just that, political arguments.... opinions. The scope and depth of the virus really are not as hard as some try to make it so. This virus thing is sort of real.

teedubbya wrote:

Pornhub actually does have a new covid and quarantine category.... I'm told. I also heard premium is free in order to keep people at home. They really care.

teedubbya wrote:

They appear the be "voluntarily" social distancing. Surveys apparently put public transportation at a reduction, and people are self reporting that they stay 1M apart. The numbers don't appear to be going up for them, but they also aren't going down. Time will only tell if that was a good decision or not.

Numbers say their infection rate (per MM) isn't particularly good or bad. Their fatalities are higher, and reports are they are only testing people who show severe symptoms (this would account for higher fatality rate).

No one knows. They certainly aren't really any closer to herd immunity than anyone else... even with reduced testing they are only running about 2k cases/1MM people. Double that... triple that... multiply it by 10... whatever you want to it, you're not near herd immunity.

victor809 wrote:

Your statement makes zero sense, implies a belief in conspiracy theories, and in general has made us all stupider for having read it.

victor809 wrote: