Nice Fallout reference.

I was just thinking about getting #4, it's on sale at steam

victor809 wrote:

Progressivism is a political philosophy in support of social reform.[1] Based on the idea of progress in which advancements in science, technology, economic development and social organization are vital to the improvement of the human condition, progressivism became highly significant during the Age of Enlightenment in Europe, out of the belief that Europe was demonstrating that societies could progress in civility from uncivilized conditions to civilization through strengthening the basis of empirical knowledge as the foundation of society.[2] Figures of the Enlightenment believed that progress had universal application to all societies and that these ideas would spread across the world from Europe.[2]

The contemporary common political conception of progressivism emerged from the vast social changes brought about by industrialization in the Western world in the late-19th century. Progressives take the view that progress is being stifled by vast economic inequality between the rich and the poor; minimally regulated laissez-faire capitalism with monopolistic corporations; and the intense and often violent conflict between capitalists and workers, arguing that measures were needed to address these problems.[3]

The meanings of progressivism have varied over time and from different perspectives. Early-20th century progressivism was tied to eugenics and the temperance movement, both of which were promoted in the name of public health and as initiatives toward that goal.[4][5][6][7][8] Contemporary progressives promote public policies that they believe will lead to positive social change. In the 21st century, a movement that identifies as progressive is "a social or political movement that aims to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change and the support of government actions".[9]

I think this is an accurate depiction of progressivism. Some parts of it at one time were evil or nonsensical. For the most part it is about enlightenment and positive social reform.

But go on spouting your nonsense. That is one greatness of America. Everyone has the right to free speech. Just because you seem yourself logical doesn't mean you are correct. Anyone can find published morons or video/audio morons who support their viewpoint. So far you haven't provided a cogent viewpoint.

Speyside wrote:

Read through the rest of this after I posted my last response...

So if I'm understanding Ray Ray logic.

* If you don't believe in Jesus, then you're a progressive, anti-moral liberal.
* We should go back to gold and silver because depressions are better.
* And he has a secret atheist rape fetish (I'm sure that was in there somewhere, too lazy to scroll up).

bgz wrote:

You give me the Wikipedia introduction to what is Progressivism? Progressivism is all "about enlightenment and positive social reform"??? Unicorns and rainbows and free lollypops for all the proles too and I guess?
Or did the promises of Progressivism as all Utopian movements do that claim "to represent the interests of ordinary people through political change and the support of government actions" (that's what every collectivist movement and dictator says too BTW), actually lead to a decent into the warfare-welfare state and its not so positive social reforms.
I prefer serious investigations into history, political movements, their origins and their legacy. Wikipedia is not a go-to place for such things. So I give you a book to read if you'd like, it's FREE too, and a million times more enlightening than Wikipedia, and if you can't or don't read there's the free audiobook version to download. Let's see then if you slough this off as published by morons.
https://mises.org/library/progressive-era-0 

RayR wrote:

Progressivism brought the triumph of institutionalized racism, the disfranchising of blacks in the South, the cutting off of immigration, the building up of trade unions by the federal government into a tripartite of big government, big business, big union alliance, the glorifying of military virtues and conscription, and a drive for American expansion abroad. In short, the Progressive era ushered the modern American politico-economic system into being.

Go back to Wikipedia Victor, this is way over your head. You never heard of the Mises Institute? How about The Foundation for Economic Education or the American Institute for Economic Research?
Maybe they also draw a blank? I guess they are all banned as not allowable opinion at your favourite progressive mainstream media sources.
You've been living under a rock, then you took a 10 minute tour out of your comfort zone and now you think you've reaffirmed you already knew know everything there was to know and crawled back under. Anything else is conveniently labelled "poor logic". Do you have a "poor logic" alarm that goes off whenever topics get too heavy and uncomfortably close to the truth?

RayR wrote:

Haven't followed all this butread the last and as an aside-
Do you believe in absolute truth Vic?
Or could you be wrong about everything you think you know?

Dg west deptford wrote:

So if God doesn't exist why are the laws of physics immutable throughout the known universe? Also why is mathematics perfection? You are being intellectually dishonest with yourself when you say you didn't make a change in your life to be an Atheist. When born you neither believed in God or didn't believe in God. So at a minimum you have made one change and it is a significant one. Finally your last paragraph is incomplete. There are some who believe in God, but not religion. Perhaps their lives are based on individual perceptions of right and wrong

Speyside wrote:

Yeah I recall you dodged the question before now that you mention it.
How 'bout this, do you believe in universal logic?

Dg west deptford wrote: