You act like he's in your weight class.

bgz wrote:

Actually I was waiting for the peer reviewed science that proves there is no master plan of the universe, that there is no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever. Of course to do that would discredit the scientists themselves as frauds since their premise would have to start with there is no truth, therefore no science at all, so whatever these self important, self deified experts, these puny humans propose is bunk by their own definition.

RayR wrote:

Ok.... I'm going to have to ignore half your post. Mainly because it's incoherent ranting.

But the first sentence is ... dumb. Why do they need to prove there is "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence"?

That's not how science works.

You prove the existence of something. You identify it's characteristics and prove them.

It isn't the job of the scientist to disprove your myth.

victor809 wrote:

I wish you people would make up your mind, you scientists say you don't need to prove there is "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever.", and at the same time claiming with authority that there is no "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever." You can't prove the existence of something, therefore it doesn't exist? And you say what I said is dumb? [-x
You claim to believe in science but science itself has proven that all life itself from from the smallest archaea to the largest multicellular organisms are part of a greater plan and they are still finding the many ways they are connected and dependent on one another for their survival.
So you think this is all accidental, the random chaotic arrangement of atomic particles?

RayR wrote:

I wish you people would make up your mind, you scientists say you don't need to prove there is "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever.", and at the same time claiming with authority that there is no "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever." You can't prove the existence of something, therefore it doesn't exist? And you say what I said is dumb? [-x
You claim to believe in science but science itself has proven that all life itself from from the smallest archaea to the largest multicellular organisms are part of a greater plan and they are still finding the many ways they are connected and dependent on one another for their survival.
So you think this is all accidental, the random chaotic arrangement of atomic particles?

RayR wrote:

Is no one going to touch this? "Peer reviewed science" that gives evidence of god....?

victor809 wrote:

I wish you people would make up your mind, you scientists say you don't need to prove there is "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever.", and at the same time claiming with authority that there is no "no master plan" or "no greater intelligence at work, call it God, Nature or whatever." You can't prove the existence of something, therefore it doesn't exist? And you say what I said is dumb? [-x
You claim to believe in science but science itself has proven that all life itself from from the smallest archaea to the largest multicellular organisms are part of a greater plan and they are still finding the many ways they are connected and dependent on one another for their survival.
So you think this is all accidental, the random chaotic arrangement of atomic particles?

RayR wrote:

Oh - you are confusing "plan" and "Pattern".
It is a simple mistake.

Do you think that emergent qualities of matter, like salt crystals growing, require divine intervention to work?

Brewha wrote:

The theories of Ancient aliens visiting and affecting us in the past has more evidence supporting it that the existence of a supreme being.

tonygraz wrote:

The answer you're looking for is supernovas.

Oh, and the egg came first... before then they were some sort of jungle fowl. Classic example of evolution.

bgz wrote:

Then where did the matter come from that created the giant stars, that died in massive explosions,spreading elements across the universe?
The "egg came first"? "before then they were some sort of jungle fowl." ?? Where did the jungle fowl come from?

RayR wrote:

Vic, thanks for posting the ICR links. You should sign up for the free monthly periodical there's always some interesting bit of science coming out of there that I'm certain would bless you even though you don't believe in truth.
Some of it is way over my head being very technical. But you may dig it.
BeeGees, I really enjoyed our talk last night. Hope you had a great day at the logic office, even though you don't believe in logic. 😁

Dg west deptford wrote: