victor809
6 years ago

In The Origin of Species (1859), Darwin wrote, "If it could be demonstrated that any complex organ existed, which could not possibly have been formed by numerous, successive, slight modifications, my theory would absolutely break down."

I guess Darwin was nonsense after all. You heard it from Vic.

Dg west deptford wrote:



Amusing. And poor logic on your part.
Unlike religion, science is not held to 200+ year old texts. Darwin can be right on large parts of his theory, and wrong on others.

More importantly, an inability to see how an organ can be formed by numerous successive modifications is NOT evidence that it cannot be. We get smarter every day as we (as a species) examine the world. Things we may have previously thought were irreducibly complex, we find ways that they are not.
victor809
6 years ago


I see RayRay lurking... that usually means a big wall of gibberish is about to fly through the Internets.

bgz wrote:


I hate it when you're right
bgz
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6 years ago
Ya... I know what you mean.
RayR
6 years ago
I know I've hit the nail on the head when all bgz and Victor squeak out in reply is that I've put up a "big wall of gibberish".[frypan]


bgz
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6 years ago
It was prophesized.
victor809
6 years ago

Well, there you go, you've defined a large part of the progressive doctrine by your own words. The progressive doesn't believe that history is instructive, that "some old dude's opinion" is not gong to be supportive of analysing current events. If a progressive ever mentions history, its usually an distortion of past events, they steer away from even mentioning progressive thinkers of a bygone era, after all it might prove embarrassing to invoke some of those old crackpots.

The self important modern progressive believes that history begins with them and their opinion is the only thing that matters. It's pretty convenient when you want to regurgitate old failed ideas and present them as something new and shiny to those soft indoctrinated minds that are easily seduced. How else could so many progressive minded people be so seduced by failed socialistic policies? How else could these same people not be repulsed by the stated authoritarian bans and mandate policies of the Biden/Harris ticket? Shall I go on? Maybe straight down to the lowest rung of progressive hell these days? The rioting, destroying, burning, assaulting and killing Marxist Orcs perhaps? (I'm sorry to inform you, but you won't find a traditional conservative, libertarian or even a Christian among them, but you already realize that deep inside don't you?)

It's real convenient to claim that no one has repudiated the secular religion of Progressivism or even properly defined it when you pooh-pooh anybody in the past or present that has ever done so. It's progressive magic, ignore them, don't read or listen to what they've ever said and it's as if they never existed!

RayR wrote:



Sigh. More nonsense.
History is instructive. Quotes of the opinions of past political commentators/journalists are not. They are no more insightful than the political commentators/journalists we have now. And I wouldn't accept a quote from one of them as evidence of anything.
History is dates, numbers, locations, facts. It is not someone's opinion. Let's look at who you've quoted so far:
Michael Crichton - an author
Frederic Bastiat - an 1800s economist
Walter Williams - an economist
Paul Gottfried - an author
H.L. Menken - an early 1900's journalist
Jim Ostrowski - some random modern day author who appears to be an idiot

You've used opinion quotes from these people... not listed facts. You are trying to support your opinions by saying "look at other people who believe the same thing I do!"

That's simple nonsense. consensus of opinion does not equal right. It just means more than one person might be wrong. There is just about any dumb idea you can think of that you can find some person who's got a quote that supports it.

I'll be impressed if you quote scientists, when they are saying something scientific. For instance, if you had quotes like "It has been found experimentally, that the ratio of the amounts of adenine to thymine, and the ratio of guanine to cytosine, are always very close to unity for deoxyribose nucleic acid." -Watson&Crick
victor809
6 years ago
And again... you haven't defined what you consider to be "progressivism". Give us a definition. 2 sentences. in your own words, of what progressivism is.

I can do the same thing with communism, capitalism, catholicism, judaeism, islamism, buddhism.... why can't you do this with progressivism? Likely because you're using it as a catch-all for all the ills you believe exist in the world and it isn't actually a clearly defined system.
frankj1
6 years ago
isn't it a brand of soup?
victor809
6 years ago
Well that's about the most coherent definition we've gotten so far.
frankj1
6 years ago
cuz I'm gud wif wirds
bgz
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6 years ago

cuz I'm gud wif wirds

frankj1 wrote:



You misspelled I'm.
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