Speyside
5 years ago
Minneapolis is in danger no matter what the verdict. Perhaps other big cities as well. I think every national guard should be mobilized in advance, all LEOS should be out and about the day of, no one should go to a big city the day of. Also properly arm the guard and the LEOS. Our town has plans in place.
HockeyDad
5 years ago
Defund the police and light up Minneapolis!
BuckyB93
5 years ago
Not a good time to be a small business owner in Minneapolis.

Or Milwaukee.
Or Chicago.
Or Baltimore.
Or Portland.
Or NYC.
Or LA.
Or DC.
Or...
Speyside
5 years ago
You forgot Seattle.
izonfire
5 years ago
I’m thinking it’s a great time to be a small business owner.
If your business is delivering pallets of bricks...
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Or pitchforks and torches!!!

Le Hockey Dad is it too late to invest??
HockeyDad
5 years ago

Or pitchforks and torches!!!

Le Hockey Dad is it too late to invest??

ZRX1200 wrote:



The product moving now is pre-made Molotov cocktails. For that busy protester on the go.

DrafterX
5 years ago
But does that busy protester on the go have a way to transport and launch multiple molotov cocktails..?? That's where the money is... 🤔
frankj1
5 years ago
has anyone considered that the villain in all of the Floyd related protests/riots might just be Chauvin and not the dead guy?

I really am waiting to see the defense roll out, this has been amazing to watch, but if nothing changes, are people ready to accept a reality they have been denying?

Yesterday the doctor who performed the autopsy called it homicide...again! Even after agreeing about preexisting heart and other conditions.

I have been impressed with Nelson so far, but can't imagine how he's going to overcome what has been presented to this point.
tonygraz
5 years ago

But does that busy protester on the go have a way to transport and launch multiple molotov cocktails..?? That's where the money is... :-k

DrafterX wrote:



Are you aware that they are not the new russian drink sensation ?
rfenst
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5 years ago

has anyone considered that the villain in all of the Floyd related protests/riots might just be Chauvin and not the dead guy?

I really am waiting to see the defense roll out, this has been amazing to watch, but if nothing changes, are people ready to accept a reality they have been denying?

Yesterday the doctor who performed the autopsy called it homicide...again! Even after agreeing about preexisting heart and other conditions.

I have been impressed with Nelson so far, but can't imagine how he's going to overcome what has been presented to this point.

frankj1 wrote:



The defense will be great- as it probably has been funded by the police union. All sorts of experts to confirm every point the defense elicited during cross examination. Fireworks will fly!
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Frank I don’t think you’d find anyone here who thinks Chauvin did NOTHING wrong.....

Hammer meet nail
DrMaddVibe
5 years ago
He's rollin'...just let him go...
MACS
5 years ago
“Under cross-examination, defense lawyer Eric Nelson asked if drug use could cause hypoxia, and the doctor said it could. Mr. Nelson inquired about Floyd’s high carbon dioxide levels, and whether that could be caused by Fentanyl. Dr. Langenfeld said that it could; the “primary reason” Fentanyl is so dangerous is that is depresses the lungs. A high carbon dioxide level causes shortness of breath, even without stress. The doctor also said that Fentanyl causes sleepiness, and Mr. Nelson said in his Opening Statement that he would produce a witness to testify that Floyd was very sleepy before the police showed up.”…

…Mr. Nelson showed the lieutenant a photo of a paramedic checking George Floyd’s carotid pulse by feeling the side of Floyd’s neck while Officer Chauvin still had his knee on him. “In your experience, would you be able to touch the carotid artery if the knee was on the carotid artery?” Lt. Mercil replied, “No, sir.”

The defense then showed a screenshot from one of the officers’ body cameras, that showed Officer Chauvin holding Floyd down. Lt. Mercil agreed that Officer Chauvin’s shin appeared to be across Floyd’s shoulder blade, not on his neck. There were two other screenshots with different time stamps that also showed Officer Chauvin’s shin across Floyd’s shoulder blade.

When he looked at a fourth photo that showed Officer Chauvin’s knee, the lieutenant said this seemed to be a “hold,” not a neck restraint. He conceded that it’s possible he had to hold someone down for 10 minutes in his own police career, and that he had held people down while waiting for Emergency Medical Services. He has trained officers to do this…

…“In cross examination, Eric Nelson asked an intriguing question: Was Chief Arradondo familiar with “Camera Perspective Bias.” The chief said he was not. Camera Perspective Bias refers to the fact that the point of view from which you see an event can change your opinion of it.

Two videos were shown in court, both separately and side-by-side. The side-by-side version matched the timing of the two videos, so you could see the same event from two points of view. One video was taken by 17-year-old Darnella Frazier with her phone and the other was video from Officer J. Alexander Kueng’s body camera. From Darnella Frazier’s perspective, it looks like Officer Chauvin had his knee on George Floyd’s neck — but Police Chief Arradondo agreed that from the perspective of Officer Kueng’s body cam, Officer Chauvin’s knee was on Floyd’s shoulder blade. Up until that moment, the chief said he thought the knee had been on Floyd’s neck.”
rfenst
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5 years ago
It's a shot-gun-type defense so far. Defense lawyer probably should not be doing this alone without help. His stamina is impressive, however. Notice how every statement defense lawyer makes, he makes it to influence the jury by plant "seeds of doubt"?

Better expert witnesses will concede whatever they truthfully must... so as to avoid loss of credibility. But, yet the even better and smarter ones are able to calmly interject a short explanation of why they might disagree with the points being elicited, rather than simply yes or no.

My call today after the fact: Today's use of force expert was much better than defense attorney. Imagine a different/second good lawyer who has expert witness experiences pent hours and hours preparing for that single cross examination......


Isn't there some one around her who is or was a Judge???
Wonder if it would be possible for him to comment or not .............
delta1
5 years ago
did the defense plant a reasonable doubt?

a lot bad police officers walk on the slimmest of doubt, because most juries have inherent pro-police sentiments
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Really?

Popular public opinion would disagree
delta1
5 years ago
how many cops have gone to trial ....let alone been convicted, given the numbers of excessive force cases?

in this case, the one difference that did not happen in many other past cases is the large number of "expert" police witnesses, currently serving police, who were willing to testify against Chauvin...that may overcome the pro-police sentiment and result in his conviction...
Whistlebritches
5 years ago

how many cops have gone to trial ....let alone been convicted, given the numbers of excessive force cases?

delta1 wrote:




My personal beliefs are the reason for this phenomenon is that most of the victims in these cases are neither victims nor choir boys.
ZRX1200
5 years ago
Al lemme tell ya, I questioned a county sheriff at trial and caught him up in a blatant lie. Judge wanted to “talk to him in his chambers”.

No apology for him trying to blame me for a crime I didn’t commit.

No charges for lying under oath.

I don’t blindly believe cops.

There is definitely a thin blue line, and I’m not a fan of the escalation of force we have.
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