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tailgater
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5 years ago

#81

George Floyd should still be alive today. And while nothing will bring him back or heal the unthinkable pain his killing caused his family and Black Americans everywhere, today’s verdict offers a retribution on toxic masculinity and a ray of light in the fight for racial justice.

HockeyDad wrote:

I didn't follow this as closely as many. But I think the right verdict was handed down based on what I have seen and read.

I don't, however, see this as a racial justice issue. This was one cop who ignored protocol after a man's pulse stopped. That makes him a bad cop and now a murderer. But it doesn't make him a racist.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#82

tailgater wrote:

they didn't pursue "hate crimes" when he was charged...not to start a debate on hate crimes, but they didn't see it as a factor in this case based on evidence.

ZRX1200
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5 years ago

#83

Yeah there’s a lot of happy unicorn fart n puppy dogs type murders.

tailgater
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5 years ago

#84

they didn't pursue "hate crimes" when he was charged...not to start a debate on hate crimes, but they didn't see it as a factor in this case based on evidence.

frankj1 wrote:

You are correct, but that's not my point.

This Chauvin cop deserves to be punished.
George Floyd didn't deserve to be dead.
But the two things have nothing to do with race.

Enter BLM.

Now they are the respective poster children.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#85

I'm not so sure that even if this specific crime of Chauvin's wasn't specifically due to Chauvin specifically hating Floyd's race, that conditions and conditioning didn't play any part in him being able to let himself do this hideous act.

Racism is not always about furious active hatred...and BLM may have been born of a few hundred years of the subtle as well as the few hundred years of the violent actions against Blacks.
They rose from something that they did not create.

This does not excuse any violence or criminal activity attributed to their members, and though it will fall on deaf ears, the facts are that though there were several dozens of violent crimes, arson, looting, etc, in what started as peaceful protests in the recent turbulent year or so, that is out of a few thousand actual protests that occurred across the country in which BLM was involved.
Doesn't really seem like a coordinated on purpose-pattern of criminal protest as much as disgusting crimes of opportunity by low life.

And though you and I may agree that this one might not be about a man of racial hate (we don't know him) wearing a blue uniform, if I'm a member of the victim's race it would be hard for you to convince me that this wasn't yet another in a series...

HockeyDad
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5 years ago

#86

Frank condones BLM orchestrated violence.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#87

yawning and laughing.
Well done.

HockeyDad
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5 years ago

#88

I felt you needed a pity post.

Speyside
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5 years ago

#89

Meh, it's over, move on.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#90

I felt you needed a pity post.

HockeyDad wrote:

well, I am pitiful.
so thanks for a taste of my own medicine...HA!

Krazeehorse
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5 years ago

#91

Maybe this is setting up an appeal. Seems a juror lied about his participation in any protests. His photo is on social media at the MLK demonstration in DC wearing a Get your knees off our necks t-shirt.
Just the expense of a do-over makes me want this guy to be punished. I suppose some would argue another trial is inevitable.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9539447/Chauvin-juror-defends-participation-Washington-protest.html

RayR
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5 years ago

#92

A BLM Marxist plant on the jury. How could something like this happen. This is Amerika?🙄

rfenst
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5 years ago

#93

Krazeehorse wrote:

Off the cuff, I would expect that the lie would have to be material and that the subject matter lied about affected the jury's final decision.

But, "Federal Rule of Evidence 606(b) bar[s] the testimony of a juror regarding statements made during deliberations for the purpose of showing alleged dishonesty by a prospective juror during jury selection."

There have to be some exceptions to the Rule, no?...

But, the ability to challenge a lost verdict has to stop at some well defined point.

Edited by user 5 years ago | Reason: Not specified

Krazeehorse
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5 years ago

#94

Well there's movement in that direction.
Derek Chauvin files for new trial in death of George Floyd - Fox News
https://apple.news/A3ZA9Tv9_QJiEe1yHqPuRTA

Speyside
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5 years ago

#95

Given the facts as we know them now, a new trial seems appropriate. I do think he is guilty, but I absolutely know has an absolute right to a fair trial.

frankj1
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5 years ago

#96

if it qualifies, by all means start up again.
He'd probably be found guilty a dozen times anyway...maybe not all 3 charges though.
Pretty much the debate sounded like it was if all criteria was met on each charge, not if he was innocent.

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#97

I think Floyd was just naughty and prolly deserved it.

rfenst
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5 years ago

#98

Given the facts as we know them now, a new trial seems appropriate. I do think he is guilty, but I absolutely know has an absolute right to a fair trial.

Speyside wrote:

What, of significance, was not fair about his trial?

teedubbya
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5 years ago

#99

He was just doing his job and Floyd’s neck got in the way.

Speyside
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5 years ago

#100

The fact that the prosecution withheld what seems to be exculpatory evidence until after the jury went into deliberation. Yes, I know that is not part of this appeal, but it will I think eventually cause a mistrial. There was a blood toxicity report that showed CO2 was in George Floyd's blood. I do not think the outcome would be any different if this had been presented, but I am sure that evidence was withheld.

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