This is true Frank, he was in discussions with others like Madison on the possibilities of the emancipated slaves colonized someplace whether in N. America or elsewhere. They bounced around ideas, looking for solutions.

Jefferson was interested in ending the institution of slavery since his younger days, when he was a member of the Virginia House of Burgesses he introduced a bill to do just that, but you know how governments are, it was too radical for its time so nobody acted on it.

In the original draft of the Declaration of Independence, he denounced King George and slavery, again too radical for others to swallow so it never made it to the final document:



Jefferson also drafted the Ordinance of 1784 which would have restricted slavery in all territories in the west both north and south. Again, it failed to pass as written and by only one vote in Congress because of that slavery clause.

You are being hyperbolic, maybe even crazy saying "Based on his fear of getting deservedly mutilated by his human property if he freed them...so he talked about the right thing but never lived it."
Get out of the cartoon land Frank, It just wasn't that easy freeing a slave in his time, there were legal roadblocks and great expense involved to discourage it. There was opposition to it based on where would they go if freed? What about families? People were concerned with the competition with white labor. Would some become criminals? Some people didn't want them around at all. It was a mess.

RayR wrote:

with your history but not your last paragraph conclusion.
Hey, that's life in CBid forums for ya.

frankj1 wrote:

Not only was US president Franklin Roosevelt perfunctory about rescuing Jews from the Nazis, but he obstructed rescue opportunities that would have cost him little or nothing, according to Holocaust historian Rafael Medoff.

FDR’s role in preventing the rescue of European Jewry is detailed in a new book called, “The Jews Should Keep Quiet: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, and the Holocaust.”

Published in September through The Jewish Publication Society, Medoff’s book includes new archival materials about the relationship between Roosevelt and Rabbi Stephen Wise, who the author sees as a sycophantic Jewish leader used by Roosevelt to “keep the Jews quiet.”

Wrote Medoff, “Franklin Roosevelt took advantage of Wise’s adoration of his policies and leadership to manipulate Wise through flattery and intermittent access to the White House.” In return for visits to the White House and Roosevelt calling him by his first name, Wise undermined Jewish activists who demanded the administration let more Jewish refugees into the US.

According to Medoff, Roosevelt’s policies toward European Jews were motivated by sentiments similar to those that spurred him to intern 120,000 Japanese Americans in detention camps as potential spies.

More...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/historian-new-evidence-shows-fdrs-bigotry-derailed-many-holocaust-rescue-plans/ 

Frank, you're a slave to codswallop. I'm done skooling you on Jefferson and the anti-Jeffersonian dicktator Lincoln. You need emancipation.

So let commence with what your hero, the anti-Jeffersonian FDR did to your people.
I know...More Painful Links

Historian: New evidence shows FDR’s bigotry derailed many Holocaust rescue plans

RayR wrote:

Sweet flipping baby Jesus! Didja ever consider just one long running "I'm smarter than everyone" post for the sake of efficiency? Then I don't have to fear carpal tunnel scrolling past your repetitive rambling

Not directed towards you, frank. A) I would've said "smahtah," and 😎 I rather enjoy your rambling

Sunoverbeach wrote:

Unless you are like borndead, who has swallowed the Lincolnian myth hook, line, and sinker, so he now can't handle the truth that Alexander H. Stephens views on race were the same as Abe Lincoln.

RayR wrote:

When did I say 1 single word praising Lincoln? You are assigning views to me that I don't hold. Very liberal of you.

As for your other statements and whataboutisms, I will give you this link again. Read it. It is the Confederate states spelling out, in detail, why they chose to secede. You'll notice some similarities.

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states 

borndead1 wrote:

Guys…Guys…

None of this matters. We have Mexican and Latin American illegal immigrants now.

Relax.

HockeyDad wrote:

In order to understand the secession documents, you need to have an understanding of the power struggles, economics and all the gripes that were going on before Lincoln was elected. Lincoln's election did nothing but exacerbate all those problems as he represented what the Southern states viewed as what the coming Republican party policies would be. He wasn't "anti-slavery", as a strict abolitionist would be (real abolitionists did even trust him), he was against the spread of slavery into the new territories only. That was clear to everyone at the time from all he had been saying for many years although there were some fantastical myths about him being spread around in newspapers, fake abolitionist speeches he never made. Yes, fake news.

You can't read secession documents from your modern lens of presentism focused only on what you believe slavery or anti-slavery means.
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The Georgia document is most telling:
"The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution."

The part I highlighted sounds a lot like modern-day criticisms of government policies by real conservatives and libertarians, doesn't it?. "By anti-slavery it is made the power in the state." That was exactly the power struggle, who would have the upper hand in Washington. The Lincoln Republicans were fixing to rig things so they could have monopoly power by creating that great white Eden in the territories that would be loyal to their interests.

RayR wrote: