CelticBomber
4 years ago

You said “ raising more people out of poverty than anything anyone's ever done in the history of human beings” yet the poverty level is still very close to the same.

Dropping the gold standard gave the government ways to manipulate the economy. It didn’t create the iPhone! You a ha Eva very lofty belief in the incredible powers of fiat currency.

HockeyDad wrote:




No. The poverty level is not the same. Forget the population changes. The definition of poverty isn't anywhere near the same as it was. You can't reduce it to a number. Today's poor have access to more things even the richest in the world 100 years ago didn't. That matters. We're not talking about things like phones and video games either. We're talking clean water, infrastructure access, medical care etc. etc.

The government didn't create the IPhone by manipulating the economy. What did allow for the IPhone was opening up the market in a way that freed up capital to allow a bunch of guys in their garage create one of the most valuable companies in the world today. Average guys who had access to educations and technologies that weren't possible for most people when the economy was tied to a finite resource. I'd say that's pretty incredible.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
Well how ‘bout that! We pretty much have the same percentage of poor but they are better off now as poor than they would have been before as poor. Where do they mail their “thank-you” letter for the glorious gift of fiat currency?

Average guys who had access to educations and technologies that weren't possible for most people when the economy was tied to a finite resource! Do you mean student loan debt? I heard that is a very bad thing. It needs a government fix.
RayR
4 years ago
Thanks to the glorious fiat money system and the FED artificially manipulating interest rates we have more debt than anyone could have imagined when the dollar was pegged to gold. YEAH PROGRESS!

We've had FED fueled financial bubbles and busts nearly every 10 years! YEAH PROGRESS!

We've had more wars than any war profiteer could have ever dreamed of. YEAH PROGRESS!

The value of the dollar has steadily declined, something that was virtually unheard of before the FED. YEAH PROGRESS!

We've had marvelous innovations that only a Marxist could love like the progressive income tax. YEAH PROGRESS!

Celtic, you're stuck on this idea that technological advancements wouldn't have occurred at a rapid pace if we had a sound monetary system. You must have seen that in your crystal ball.

bgz
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4 years ago

Thanks to the glorious fiat money system and the FED artificially manipulating interest rates we have more debt than anyone could have imagined when the dollar was pegged to gold. YEAH PROGRESS!

RayR wrote:



We also have the biggest bombs!


We've had FED fueled financial bubbles and busts nearly every 10 years! YEAH PROGRESS!

RayR wrote:



Buy the dip? Duh?

Sell the bubble? No? Nothin?


We've had more wars than any war profiteer could have ever dreamed of. YEAH PROGRESS!

RayR wrote:



Again duh?

Again, we got the biggest bombs!


The value of the dollar has steadily declined, something that was virtually unheard of before the FED. YEAH PROGRESS!

RayR wrote:



A bit less than a troy ounce was worth 20 dollars. Talk about price fixing...

Take something rare and make it a fixed price, makes sense... YEAH!!!! GOLD STANDARD!!!


We've had marvelous innovations that only a Marxist could love like the progressive income tax. YEAH PROGRESS!

RayR wrote:



Pretty much all civilizations had to pay tax in one form or another.

We already know you're an anarchist though. The more I think about it, the more I think you are more a Sex Pistols kick 'em in the head type anarchist.


Celtic, you're stuck on this idea that technological advancements wouldn't have occurred at a rapid pace if we had a sound monetary system. You must have seen that in your crystal ball.

RayR wrote:



Celtic is right... and your "sound monetary system" would still be here if it actually was sound... wouldn't it.

Who ever taught you all you know didn't know wtf they were talking about... at least not about the really real world.

They got you stuck in a fantasy anarchistic utopia.
rfenst
4 years ago

Who ever taught you all you know didn't know wtf they were talking about... at least not about the really real world.
They got you stuck in a fantasy anarchistic utopia.

bgz wrote:


Boom!
DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

Q: How to Destroy America in One Easy Step?

A: Keep voting for Democrats.



The DNC really is a terrorist organization.
RayR
4 years ago

Boom!

rfenst wrote:



You and Ben, and Celtic also are stuck in a real world fantasy that others have created for you, you've got constructs where everything is upside down and backward, where history and the laws of economics don't apply or are non-existent, just because you don't want them to be.
You guys are blinded by what Bastiat described in his essay, That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen. He described this as the difference between a bad economist and a good economist. "the one takes account of the visible effect; the other takes account both of the effects which are seen, and also of those which it is necessary to foresee. Now this difference is enormous, for it almost always happens that when the immediate consequence is favourable, the ultimate consequences are fatal, and the converse."

You can apply this to politicians also with their grand plans like that idiot Biden and his Brainless Trust of scammers, or your own thinking as well.

Ben is just an evil troll with nothing to offer so I never expect much from him. He trolls just to be ornery and disagreeable.

So what do you got...besides "Boom!"?

How about BUST!

100 Years Later, The Federal Reserve Has Failed At Everything It's Tried

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2013/12/20/100-years-later-the-federal-reserve-has-failed-at-everything-its-tried/?sh=7e84c3622a60 

bgz
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4 years ago
You know, I know this steak doesn't exist. I know that when I put it in my mouth, the Matrix is telling my brain that it is juicy and delicious. After several decades, you know what I realize?

Ignorance is bliss.
rfenst
4 years ago

You and Ben, and Celtic also are in a real world fantasy that others have created for you, you've got constructs where everything is upside down and backward, where history and the laws of economics don't apply or are non-existent, just because you don't want them to be.

RayR wrote:


WTF is a real world fantasy? (rhetorical question) That's an oxymoron.
As to where I am "stuck," it's working out well for me and mine.
Thank you for your insight.
bgz
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4 years ago

WTF is a real world fantasy? (rhetorical question) That's an oxymoron.
As to where I am "stuck," it's working out well for me and mine.
Thank you for your insight.

rfenst wrote:



Right...

Ultimately we all want fat stacks of paper... and we want to see how much we got by looking at a screen, nobody wants stacks of heavy metal... unless you're dmv... then you probably have hoard from the 80s.
RayR
4 years ago
Ben, the central bank Matrix is telling your brain that fiat money is juicy and delicious, that it has real value above the paper it's printed on or the digits on a computer screen that were create out of nothing. Yes, Ignorance is bliss.to the proles, their real world fantasy is based on their ignorance. They haven't figured out that the only thing that keeps the Matrix money machine powered up is if enough of them are plugged in and regularly drained.
The matrix money machine is a system Ben, that system is our enemy.
bgz
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4 years ago
No... it's your enemy. For me it's a toy.
HockeyDad
4 years ago
I like US Dollars. I’m trying to mine Silicon Valley for a bunch more before I retire.

Although just a fiat currency, that part about “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private” means it’s backed by the US military. That’s a little better than the gold standard.
bgz
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4 years ago
^ this


Big bombs only!
RayR
4 years ago

I like US Dollars. I’m trying to mine Silicon Valley for a bunch more before I retire.

Although just a fiat currency, that part about “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private” means it’s backed by the US military. That’s a little better than the gold standard.

HockeyDad wrote:



The dollar is not backed by the U.S. military, that's B.S. They tell you the dollar is backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. Government. In other words, the only thing backing the dollar is the government's power to spend and tax the chit out of the private economy to pay its debts. Of course, that's just a fantasy now since the government is now like the Titanic driving full steam ahead directly toward an iceberg.

When the dollar was backed by gold (post creation of the Federal Reserve until the Great Gold Robbery of 1933), what was written on paper currency was “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private, and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or at any Federal Reserve Bank.”
The only things that were "lawful money" were gold and silver, a worldwide tradition for thousands of years that were most successful and practical and kept money and commercial trade honest fo the most part. A gold dollar was essentially a warehouse receipt redeemable on demand for the goods ("lawful money") it represented.
It's what kept the system in check, if the people found out there was bankster fraud going on, that the goods weren't being held in adequate reserves to honor normal levels of redemption, chit hit the fan and there could be a run on a bank and that bank could fail and go out of business and worse things could happen to the fraudsters.

Now the U.S. Treasury says Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. Redeemable notes into gold ended in 1933 and silver in 1968. The notes have no value for themselves.
Today the dollar only asserts the note is "legal tender". By worthless dicktate.
frankj1
4 years ago

The dollar is not backed by the U.S. military, that's B.S. They tell you the dollar is backed by the “full faith and credit” of the U.S. Government. In other words, the only thing backing the dollar is the government's power to spend and tax the chit out of the private economy to pay its debts. Of course, that's just a fantasy now since the government is now like the Titanic driving full steam ahead directly toward an iceberg.

When the dollar was backed by gold (post creation of the Federal Reserve until the Great Gold Robbery of 1933), what was written on paper currency was “This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private, and is redeemable in lawful money at the United States Treasury or at any Federal Reserve Bank.”
The only things that were "lawful money" were gold and silver, a worldwide tradition for thousands of years that were most successful and practical and kept money and commercial trade honest fo the most part. A gold dollar was essentially a warehouse receipt redeemable on demand for the goods ("lawful money") it represented.
It's what kept the system in check, if the people found out there was bankster fraud going on, that the goods weren't being held in adequate reserves to honor normal levels of redemption, chit hit the fan and there could be a run on a bank and that bank could fail and go out of business and worse things could happen to the fraudsters.

Now the U.S. Treasury says Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. Redeemable notes into gold ended in 1933 and silver in 1968. The notes have no value for themselves.
Today the dollar only asserts the note is "legal tender". By worthless dicktate.

RayR wrote:


except for the thousand or so years that China changed from metals...?

I'm not up to par on global economics compared to a few of you so I'm mostly reading and stirring, but though possible, it's highly unlikely ours collapses. Even the rest of the world (98.2% anyway) looks to our dollars as the gold standard...so to speak.

Ironically, one yuuuuge threat would be if far right extremists were to succeed in their efforts to undermine our system(s) of democracy, thus weakening our highly esteemed ranking and likely causing chaos in other countries as well.
I may be wrong, but isn't that part of what you hope will happen?
bgz
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  • Herf-A-Holic
4 years ago
Well... what are you waiting for?

If gold is so f*cking valuable, why don't you go buy some and quit crying about how you don't have any.

Buy some silver while you're at it... some platinum.

Or go get you a lead bed frame and a pillow filled with mercury so you can rest easy on your commodities.

Start calling you the f*ckin tin man.
HockeyDad
4 years ago



Ironically, one yuuuuge threat would be if far right extremists were to succeed in their efforts to undermine our system(s) of democracy, thus weakening our highly esteemed ranking and likely causing chaos in other countries as well.
I may be wrong, but isn't that part of what you hope will happen?

frankj1 wrote:



You’re worried about far right extremists meanwhile there are avowed socialists in every level of government right now who want to undermine our system of democracy? You might want to get ahead of the game and swap your dollars for Chinese Yuan.
HockeyDad
4 years ago


Today the dollar only asserts the note is "legal tender". By worthless dicktate.

RayR wrote:



What exactly enforces a worthless dictate? You can always transfer your money to some other currency that is on the gold standard! I’ll stick with US Monopoly money backed by the US military. Don’t think so…try to destabilize the dollar.


frankj1
4 years ago

You’re worried about far right extremists meanwhile there are avowed socialists in every level of government right now who want to undermine our system of democracy? You might want to get ahead of the game and swap your dollars for Chinese Yuan.

HockeyDad wrote:


McCarthyism had it's moment in the 50's.
Try to keep up!
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