So you make 3 points for argument's sake. None of them are true and you (admittedly) don't believe that any of them are true, and you (admittedly) are not trying to make any point. I don't understand.

Your examples of hepatitis, pneumonia or tetanus-diphtheria have a well established history of being effective with minimal side effects to the overall population. Rona vaccine is not effective in what it was meant to do when it was approved.

It loses it's effectivity within months of being administered and needs a boost every 5 months or so (?) to keep it going (WTF?). It has led to the CDC to redefine what a vaccine is so it can include a Rona vaccine that doesn't work. Using your examples, how often to you need a hep booster once the full regiment is complete? Pneumonia?, tetanus-diptheria? polio? flu? They are not needed every 6 months. Maybe yearly (like the flu vax - which is a sham on it's own), maybe every 5-10 yrs (like tetanus), but only for those in very high risk situations but not for the general public and definitely not as a sweeping government mandatory.

The Rona vax is based on technology that has never... NEVER, been approved for use on man or beast even though the mRNA technology has been being played with in labs for decades. There is 0 (zero) history on any long term side effects.

But F it. Government dictates that everyone must get the Rona jab and be fully vaccinated (a definition that has yet to be defined), everyone must carry a passport. If not, you can be denied your ability to work or go about you daily business.

BuckyB93 wrote:

Morally? Not my call...

Reality? I guess politics is more important to some people than a new heart.

At this point I just watch the chaos and talk about it with you guys.

bgz wrote:

This has nothing to do with covid. I am not arguing with anyone that those assumed facts are true. I even said I don't believe them to be true. LOOK AT #54!!!

All I wonder is what people's opinion would be if a transplant candidate refused a vaccine we all assume is safe (any vaccine that you think is safe- it doesn't matter which one) and, as a result the hospital gave the organ to the next person on the list who had taken that vaccine.

What do you morally or ethically think should happen?

That's all, nothing more...

rfenst wrote:

lungs too?

frankj1 wrote:

This has nothing to do with covid. I am not arguing with anyone that those assumed facts are true. I even said I don't believe them to be true. LOOK AT #54!!!

All I wonder is what people's opinion would be if a transplant candidate refused a vaccine we all assume is safe (any vaccine that you think is safe- it doesn't matter which one) and, as a result the hospital gave the organ to the next person on the list who had taken that vaccine.

What do you morally or ethically think should happen?

That's all, nothing more...

rfenst wrote:

Covid lungs go in the incinerator. Those are a bio weapon.

HockeyDad wrote:

I am looking for people's answers from their own minds, NOT articles, links or internet research.)

Assume the following:

1. Covid is truly as bad as the U.S. government says it is;
2. The jab is safe; and
3. The jab is 100% effective

Everything being equal, do you believe it is morally or medically ethically wrong to reassign the heart transplant to someone else who has taken the jab even though doing so is purely voluntary and why?

rfenst wrote:

The hospital didn’t give the organ to someone else. The hospital sentenced the person to death because of their Covid-19 vaccine policy. He was not put on the transplant list. The hospital didn’t give the organ to anyone. The organ was never at the hospital. Organ allocation sent it somewhere else and never even knew that the hospital killed this guy over Covid vaccine policies. Another tragic Covid-19 death.

Morally and ethically the hospital is bankrupt.

HockeyDad wrote:

The hospital didn’t give the organ to someone else. The hospital sentenced the person to death because of their Covid-19 vaccine policy. He was not put on the transplant list. The hospital didn’t give the organ to anyone. The organ was never at the hospital. Organ allocation sent it somewhere else and never even knew that the hospital killed this guy over Covid vaccine policies. Another tragic Covid-19 death.

Morally and ethically the hospital is bankrupt.

HockeyDad wrote:

Sigh...

Do we not have enough evidence that the vax is completely BS as preventive maintenance and should only be administered to folks that are high risk or on a volunteer basis? Even the CEO's of the major drug companies that made the "fix" and who have nothing but monetary gain on the scam admit that it doesn't work unless you keep getting injected.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/10/pfizer-ceo-says-two-covid-vaccine-doses-arent-enough-for-omicron.html 
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicron-variant-vaccine-moderna/ 

It's like setting up another state mandated, big pharma sponsored methadone situation on a grand scale.

Putting that aside, vax or non vax... if I'm confronted with needing a lung, kidney, liver, heart... transplant that might extend my life for 10 yrs with a bunch of rehab vs some young buck that can use them for many more years... I'll step a side. Just give me 6 months to get my things in order.

BuckyB93 wrote:

There. See how simple that was. That's all I waned to know: Longevity/survivability is an important issue in your mind. It is in my mind too to the extent that my wife knows I want my organs to be put to the best use, not necessarily the person who is first on the list. Thank you!

rfenst wrote:

Is Joe Biden trying to top the vile, cruel record of blue-state governors such as New York's Andrew Cuomo, who seeded COVID patients into the nursing homes?

It sure looks like it, given his strange, sudden, and absolute shutdown of monoclonal antibody treatments on patients who are being successfully treated with the therapy in Florida. For vulnerable, sick people waiting in line for it, including those right up to the date of scheduled treatment, tough luck — go to the back of the line, and see if you can find some other treatment, and hope your COVID does not progress to the morgue.

That's what Joe Biden is offering Florida, a red state that voted against him in 2020, that maybe, just maybe, he'd like to punish a little, not just for not voting for him, but to erase its record of success on COVID. He seems to be out to punish Florida by ensuring that Florida's COVID death count ascends to those of his favored blue states. Whatever Joe's motive here, there are no honorable answers as we explore this.

More...

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/how_evil_do_you_have_to_be_to_suddenly_pull_treatment_from_florida_covid_patients.html 

On Omicron only the Smith Kline Galaxo monoclonal antibodies work. Those have not been pulled.

Speyside2 wrote:

You do know the real truth can upset people around here, right?

rfenst wrote: