Gene363
4 years ago

National Pie Day 3.14 greetings folks.

Ram27 wrote:



Circled on my calander.

Good Monday Morning! It's 38° on the way to 68° today.
deadeyedick
4 years ago

National Pie Day 3.14 greetings folks.

Ram27 wrote:



Dagnabit! Trying to drop a few lbs and now I want one of those hugh berry pies from Costco.
danmdevries
4 years ago
Wife changed her mind on the paver patio.

Now she just wants plain concrete slab... a 48ft x 10 ft concrete slab... I said stamped? Or dyed and polished? She said no, just brushed concrete.

When we bought the house it had a raised concrete slab deck and concrete walkway with landscaping against the house and she hated it. I had to tear it out anyway for foundation repairs but I don't know why she wants a driveway sized chunk of concrete in the yard. I told her I'm gonna be real tempted to park project cars on it unless she at least considers stamped concrete. I do not like large concrete patios. I think it looks cheap. It's not cheap but it looks it. And concrete does two things - gets hard and cracks. A properly set paver patio would outlast a poured pad.

A quick text message to a buddy who used to be in concrete work says it may save $2-3k over the $8-10k paver patio but if stamped or polished may be more. And followed up with "but it's gonna crack"
rfenst
4 years ago

One thing I miss from house dwelling to apartment dwelling is having a garden. Our apt place has some raised bed garden plots in the green space out by the pool (only like 5x10 ft plots) but last year they were all spoken for. Some people did veggies but most were flowers and herbs. Looking at them, the soil looks rather anemic since they don't get the proper organic material mulched in year after year.

That said there's huge mound of grass clippings and leaves behind the fence by the pool shed where the landscapers dump stuff. Bottom layer is nice black compost. (don't know why folks don't see this black gold and use it)

Another bunch of folks on the first floor (where I'm stationed) do container gardening and they do pretty well. There's a couple apartments down the row that are occupied by some old folks that do a lush flower and herb display outside their place. I'm told they do it every year. Might have to introduce myself and get some tips from them.

I'd like to do at least do some herbs, peppers, pole beans and maybe tomatoes (not a big tomato fan but the are easy to grow). Maybe buy a couple of those half barrel oak planters and some other planters for container gardening this year

BuckyB93 wrote:



RAOK.

Let me know if you want some small succulents or cacti in 2-5" pots to start out with both indoors or outdoors. Son Noah has at least 250 of 75 different varieties, some he hybridized, and I would be happy to simply put a few together and easily send them to you. You should only have to water 98.2% of them like 1x/month. The key for guaranteed success is to simply get several different ones; put them where you want them; water them like you think they need; and see which make it and which don't. Then, you know what else to buy and not to buy because you know you won't kill it.

Seriously, I'd enjoy doing this PM your snailer, if interested
rfenst
4 years ago

Dagnabit! Trying to drop a few lbs and now I want one of those hugh berry pies from Costco.

deadeyedick wrote:


Or, there is always their apple pie. Need I say more?
rfenst
4 years ago
Hot tub/jacuzzi is at 101F headed to 104F in a few minutes. I get in for 20 minutes as part of my morning routine. 61F headed to74F, which is a classic, sunny and clear winter day here. Wednesday, the heat and humidity come back. [ram27bat]
Nothing planned today but to just lay about, maybe swim...

Hope everyone is well
Let's finish this thread today!!!
HockeyDad
4 years ago
Work is at 150F heading to 250F. Part of my Monday morning routine. I could go for a hot tub right about now.
Stogie1020
4 years ago

Wife changed her mind on the paver patio.

Now she just wants plain concrete slab... a 48ft x 10 ft concrete slab... I said stamped? Or dyed and polished? She said no, just brushed concrete.

When we bought the house it had a raised concrete slab deck and concrete walkway with landscaping against the house and she hated it. I had to tear it out anyway for foundation repairs but I don't know why she wants a driveway sized chunk of concrete in the yard. I told her I'm gonna be real tempted to park project cars on it unless she at least considers stamped concrete. I do not like large concrete patios. I think it looks cheap. It's not cheap but it looks it. And concrete does two things - gets hard and cracks. A properly set paver patio would outlast a poured pad.

A quick text message to a buddy who used to be in concrete work says it may save $2-3k over the $8-10k paver patio but if stamped or polished may be more. And followed up with "but it's gonna crack"

danmdevries wrote:



Best of both worlds may be to lay 2ft x 2ft concrete pavers with either white gravel or real/fake grass between them. She gets concrete, you get no cracks. Crack kills.
BuckyB93
4 years ago

Wife changed her mind on the paver patio.

Now she just wants plain concrete slab... a 48ft x 10 ft concrete slab... I said stamped? Or dyed and polished? She said no, just brushed concrete.

When we bought the house it had a raised concrete slab deck and concrete walkway with landscaping against the house and she hated it. I had to tear it out anyway for foundation repairs but I don't know why she wants a driveway sized chunk of concrete in the yard. I told her I'm gonna be real tempted to park project cars on it unless she at least considers stamped concrete. I do not like large concrete patios. I think it looks cheap. It's not cheap but it looks it. And concrete does two things - gets hard and cracks. A properly set paver patio would outlast a poured pad.

A quick text message to a buddy who used to be in concrete work says it may save $2-3k over the $8-10k paver patio but if stamped or polished may be more. And followed up with "but it's gonna crack"

danmdevries wrote:



I'd have to agree with you there. Looks cheap and is destined to crack especially in your area with the freeze/thaw cycles every year. Pavers are more work to install but would be better in the long run both in esthetics and survivability.

Then install a shrubbery... only slightly higher so you get a two layer effect with a little path running down the middle.

Fore two NINE!
BuckyB93
4 years ago
Change jar was full, cashed it in. Came to about $68 but the machine rejected a 1 Franc coin, a $10 Pesos coin, a Canadian penny and a $1 Sacagawea coin (the change machine at my CU doesn't process fiddy cent pieces or $1 coins for some reason).

I can understand getting the Canadian penny thing and the $1 US coin along the way for change but I wonder where I picked up the Franc and Peso coins?
Palama
4 years ago

Wife changed her mind on the paver patio.

Now she just wants plain concrete slab... a 48ft x 10 ft concrete slab... I said stamped? Or dyed and polished? She said no, just brushed concrete.

When we bought the house it had a raised concrete slab deck and concrete walkway with landscaping against the house and she hated it. I had to tear it out anyway for foundation repairs but I don't know why she wants a driveway sized chunk of concrete in the yard. I told her I'm gonna be real tempted to park project cars on it unless she at least considers stamped concrete. I do not like large concrete patios. I think it looks cheap. It's not cheap but it looks it. And concrete does two things - gets hard and cracks. A properly set paver patio would outlast a poured pad.

A quick text message to a buddy who used to be in concrete work says it may save $2-3k over the $8-10k paver patio but if stamped or polished may be more. And followed up with "but it's gonna crack"

danmdevries wrote:



Is there something she doesn’t like aesthetically or functionally with the better long-term solutions?

Or is “saving” money the reason why she wants just a concrete slab?

If you end up doing it her way, when do you guesstimate it’ll start cracking? Will she be okay with the cracks? Will you have to re-do the slab because she hates the cracks? Who’s paying? (…think I already know that answer…)

In any event, good luck!
rfenst
4 years ago
danmdevries
4 years ago

Best of both worlds may be to lay 2ft x 2ft concrete pavers with either white gravel or real/fake grass between them. She gets concrete, you get no cracks. Crack kills.

Stogie1020 wrote:



https://www.lowes.com/pd/Square-Gray-Concrete-Patio-Stone-Common-16-in-x-16-in-Actual-16-in-x-16-in/3034746 

I don't think it's for a cost reason. I think it's because she's seen too many poorly done and or old paver patios that are buckled and bowed. Also 3 people she knows have 1-2 year old houses with concrete. If im spending 10k on a permanent fixture in the house I'd rather up the budget rather than compromise the upgrade to save money that will be forgotten faster than a cracked patio.

She will definitely complain about cracks in the concrete. I will definitely remind her she wanted concrete. I could gouge out the cracks to make room for a shrubbery. Probably use a herring for the job.
BuckyB93
4 years ago
I guess if you lay them on a bed of crushed rock and sand like you'd do with pavers, it wouldn't be much different. I'm sure you know how to do them correctly.

With the larger tiles it'd be faster and easier to cover the space than installing individual pavers but I, personally, would prefer the appearance of pavers with all the different sizes, shapes, colors to choose from. A herring bone design with a few different earth tone colors looks cool to me while a plain Jane gray concrete color is pretty bland and unappealing. Also with the large pieces, if you have to go around something and have a perimeter other than a simple rectangle, cutting the slabs might be a PIA.

Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Pour patio. Have her sign a declaration of satisfaction upon completion. Use savings to stock up on Flextape for the inevitable cracking
danmdevries
4 years ago
The truth came out after 15 minutes of back and forth.

She doesn't want decorative pavers cause I'll be asking her to help with the project. If we get concrete, I do the prep and hire someone to pour it.

I suspect the patio before kitchen choice is in the same line.
Ram27
4 years ago
You have my BLESSINGS danm.#-o
danmdevries
4 years ago
Yeah. Not sure how I'm gonna proceed with this.

I do not want concrete in this size. It will look like a driveway behind the house. Not to mention cracking, and potential for drainage issues which is unacceptable in a swamp. I would make concessions for a stamped concrete pad and install an extra deep gravel base with drain tile to the empty lot. She doesn't want stamped, dyed, or polished concrete.

I also don't want to do a project of this size without some help. We argued a bit more about this until she said she knows more about landscaping than I do and is adamantly against paver bricks. Discussions are over. Either I get a bug up my ass and do it entirely myself or it doesn't happen.

I did offer up the kitchen again. She doesn't want to spend months in a construction zone. Which I reminded her I wanted her to pick out cabinets, countertops and flooring and stuff so it could all be here before I start. She reminded me that I'm lazy and it will still take a long time. I said you can help. That shut it down.

Guess the vacation period of getting along are over.
Whistlebritches
4 years ago

Yeah. Not sure how I'm gonna proceed with this.

I do not want concrete in this size. It will look like a driveway behind the house. Not to mention cracking, and potential for drainage issues which is unacceptable in a swamp. I would make concessions for a stamped concrete pad and install an extra deep gravel base with drain tile to the empty lot. She doesn't want stamped, dyed, or polished concrete.

I also don't want to do a project of this size without some help. We argued a bit more about this until she said she knows more about landscaping than I do and is adamantly against paver bricks. Discussions are over. Either I get a bug up my ass and do it entirely myself or it doesn't happen.

I did offer up the kitchen again. She doesn't want to spend months in a construction zone. Which I reminded her I wanted her to pick out cabinets, countertops and flooring and stuff so it could all be here before I start. She reminded me that I'm lazy and it will still take a long time. I said you can help. That shut it down.

Guess the vacation period of getting along are over.

danmdevries wrote:



I could use a little extra cash.........however I don't do concrete,pavers or kitchens.Cantankerous bull headed spouses on the other hand .........DDDDC Inc.
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Grab some pallets and sheets of plywood. You can have yourself a shiny new patio done in about half an hour.

A good warm and balmy Tues to you, peoples.
Users browsing this topic