Poll Question: What is the biggest obstacle to lessening division
frankj1
4 years ago

I wasn't turned off. I voted in the election, just not for President in 2016. I simply didn't believe in him enough to give it and really didn't like Pence either. He brought nothing to the table. He didn't do anything to destroy the ticket or the frontrunner, it's just he didn't swing California or New York to go red. He was like vanilla ice cream to me. Bland. I still don't understand what Trump saw in him to make that selection.

The 3rd party had already decimated itself into oblivion way before the 2016 election. I totally get that Johnson wasted all of the Perot's effort to validate a 3rd party being recognized nationally on a ballot. He personally made them a laughing stock.

If the parties (and there are a slew of them!) were serious about garnering the coveted 15% then perhaps they shouldn't be stoned on camera, come prepared to give cognizant debate for what and where they stand on the issues, not wear robes and a boot on their head, perhaps wear at least business casual instead of lingerie and maybe...just maybe people will take them seriously enough to give them their vote and support.

Johnson garnered the most support a Libertarian candidate ever received with 4,489,233 total votes. He didn't do enough for me to vote for him or his party. I did vote for Trump in 2020 based solely on a promises made and promises kept basis. He wanted a secure border and it was FINALLY under construction. We were energy independent for the 1st time in 70 years and exporting! We didn't have any new wars and were drawing down the Afghan conflict (which Creepy Joe would later try to blame on Trump unsuccessfully and blame it on his generals unsuccessfully as well). The economy before Covid was as robust as the Reagan economy and I never thought I'd see that run-up again. Then again, I thought I'd never see the abysmal spectre of inflation like the Carter years. At least Jimmy had America's back. King Bidas only wants to put all of America on their backs so his WEF pals can run the place again. He accomplished all of that with the DNC machinery ramping up impeachment charges every time he farted. The presstitutes were there to cover all of it and were full TDS cheerleaders.

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Pence= prolife votes. especially the yuuuuge religion folks...enough to make Trump comfy with vanilla. Not likely to rock the boat, gave out a vibe that when things were going to be wildly insane in the Oval Office, America could trust him to calm things down...obviously I didn't buy in but it's just how it looked to me.

Johnson was an ill informed goofball, and his party tried to bring the appearance of confidence with former GOP Gov of MA William Weld, but he's just another guy who looks like a president. Would switch parties in a heartbeat.

I voted for Perot...once.

I personally benefitted in the Reagan years, the easing of credit led to vast opportunities, but all the stuff that tagged along (banks having almost zero risk, no actual products or industries on which to build a lasting economy etc) also caused things to collapse...I know, I know, not a popular opinion and a whole 'nother thread.

Carter was probably just as abused daily as Trump but the style was less attack back then. Trump might have to look in a mirror to see who popularized the change to nastiness.

I was wrong thinking you did not vote at all. Probably shoulda figured.


Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
[On the flying scenes in Hook] I felt bad for the five guys who had to haul my fat ass up. At that time there were very few mechanical devices so it was literally guys on pulleys flying me across - I think it was 2 guys to pull me across. They would say "we're doing another take" and they would say "oh, not again."
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DrMaddVibe
4 years ago

Pence= prolife votes. especially the yuuuuge religion folks...enough to make Trump comfy with vanilla. Not likely to rock the boat, gave out a vibe that when things were going to be wildly insane in the Oval Office, America could trust him to calm things down...obviously I didn't buy in but it's just how it looked to me.

Johnson was an ill informed goofball, and his party tried to bring the appearance of confidence with former GOP Gov of MA William Weld, but he's just another guy who looks like a president. Would switch parties in a heartbeat.

I voted for Perot...once.

I personally benefitted in the Reagan years, the easing of credit led to vast opportunities, but all the stuff that tagged along (banks having almost zero risk, no actual products or industries on which to build a lasting economy etc) also caused things to collapse...I know, I know, not a popular opinion and a whole 'nother thread.

Carter was probably just as abused daily as Trump but the style was less attack back then. Trump might have to look in a mirror to see who popularized the change to nastiness.

I was wrong thinking you did not vote at all. Probably shoulda figured.


frankj1 wrote:




I never got what you did with Pence. I never heard about evangelicals lining up to support either Trump or Pence. Never saw that materialize...at all. While they typically throw in with the GOP due to family values like pro-Life I just don't remember seeing all the TV preachers or large church cult leaders supporting them openly with your calming vibe. Especially now. EVERYTHING the media and the DNC said about Trump, King Bidas (I call him that because EVERYTHING he touches has the reverse effect of King Midas's touch...his was gold, Joe's is crap!)has done or is doing. Humiliating the US on the world stage? Check. Ramping up wars? Check. Being mentally unstable? Check. Children raping government agencies for cash? Check.

You called Trump a grifter a couple of posts ago. Trump inherited his money. Kept it rolling by land development. Sure there were the "university", steaks, tv show...meh. Unseemingly but no less crimiinal than ITT Tech, Omaha Steak Co. and America's Got Talent to me. WYSIWYG. To expect more is on them. Care to explain how King Bidas earned his wealth? I mean we can use your term "Grifter" more aptly with him than Trump. He earned his off of insider trading, skimming and outright kickbacks from family members whom made deals with him in tow.

If Johnson was an affable goofball...then dragging a MA governor by the nose because he was a Republican that would later endorse Biden???...that makes him a bigger goofball!

I worked for H. Ross Perot's company twice. Electronic Data Systems. It was a great company who's business model is absent now. A real shame. I was groomed for success in that and at one time was being shaped up with another peer of mine for a Vice President level position. I walked my self down the ladder due to traveling 9 months of the year while maintaining a family. It was grueling. I stayed with the customer and technology and was a system analyst. My handiwork is still with GM in the Corvette plant. Perot's gift of hiring ex-military was a godsend in that the company had a backbone. A given spine that almost everyone had in common the traits that got us all through basic training, our job schools and service. Service was the key. You HAD to deliver or you were bounced. In comparison to today's workforce, I've seen better people walk the plank than the best younger talent I've seen in the past 10 years. Perot wanted to take what worked for his customers (most government contracts) and get America's books balanced. A formidable and noble idea that was getting no press. Him calling it the “crazy aunt you keep down in the basement." was spot on. It was only because he was a business man that he recognized what would rot America from within. He was proven more correct than History gives him. His selection for VP and quitting and then restarting the race kept me from supporting him. While I admired his corporate stances I wasn't allowed to quit without penalty. He did. I saw him with clarity most didn't because I was on the "inside". When I walked down on my own, I all but assured my equal the slot and he even said so over dinner to me. He thought it was going to be me all the way because of gifts I had that he didn't. Perot did usher in the ability for a 3rd party to exist. All of them squandered it. All of them. Ron Paul saw it too and was able to keep the plates spinning because he did have the political capital Perot didn't. It was Paul's fault that he was a straight shooter and honest that doomed him from higher office. Both would've made great Presidents. Better than their contemporaries and perhaps, if given the rope they needed would've turned America's debt and failed trade dealings back into the powerhouse Trump was trying to do.

There were few people that didn't profit from the Reagan Presidency. You would have to be a blithering idiot to not. He turned over the keys of a chugging locomotive in full steam to a CIA Deep State director and an immoral Arkansas criminal enterprise (even to this day!) shyster that only bled it out to the point we're at now. Trump modeled an economic turnaround like Reagan's. How you missed that is beyond me. There hasn't been an administration since that had getting America back on top as a cornerstone.

Carter was a media darling. EVERYONE loved him. He is a decent man that got exploited like Grant. Their cabinet's used the nation like their little play toy with reckless abandon. He left in disgrace due to his bungling of Iran, a failed energy policy and a crumbling economy. Sound familiar? It should. It should chill your bones and make you want to vomit because you already lived this. Despite what you knew and profited from there's nothing Biden does to merit praise or acceptance. You shot your anger at all the wrong targets and followed the presstitutes. Your scorn (even today) of Trump, while you can give it...he didn't earn most of what everyone said. That's just factual. Even now they want to smear him as an "insurrectionist leader" that caused the Capitol Hill riot. We know that he wanted to call in the National Guard waaaay beforehand but was stymied by the Mayor of DC and the uber grift dealer Speaker of the House Pelosi. Then the charges of cheating...each month another batch of states and counties report they either did in fact break existing laws or there was fraud. It happened. Coupled with Biden's kid and his "missing laptop"? The media is already stating that that caused a 17% sway that independents and democrats wouldn't have voted for Biden. If they claim 17%, I'm willing to say it was probably closed to 25% or larger.

As for voting...I said here exactly what I did and that the only empty box unchecked was for the Office of the Presidency. For the 1st time in my life I abstained from completing a ballot. I have never missed an election. Especially local ones. With everything I've seen in my lifetime I can honestly state that there is no way on God's planet that I will ever vote for another democrat again. Ever. They sealed that with who and what they are. If at this stage you can't see it or admit to yourself who/what they are that's not on anyone else. They are inherently evil. They always have been and now are more unashamed to be on the record with it. We don't agree politically. Stop taking it personal. I'm doing what I've always done. I'm going to call it out and back it in the here and now. I'm not going to use Time nor Historic fondness to warp their doings. I've shown that time and again.

RayR
4 years ago
UhOh! You said the left is inherently evil. 😰
That Left-O-Center Frank is going to be angry. 😠

Prolly Benji too I bet. 😰
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Haven’t you noticed that every time the government f*cks up McDonald’s has a new sandwich?
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ZRX1200
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4 years ago
Are you McRibbing me?
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
No way, man. I'm too McChicken
bgz
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4 years ago
At least you know who the Big Mac is around here.
ZRX1200
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4 years ago
And who the Royale with Cheese between his ears is too……

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4 years ago
Sounds like you got a Royale with Cheese between your buns there Mr. Mac.
CelticBomber
4 years ago
The biggest obstacle to lessening division.

Our own complacency. We allowed a few companies to take over all of the news outlets that are supposed to keep us informed. So, we now have a culture where most people let these news outlets give us our opinions. It's easier than thinking for ourselves. It makes it nearly impossible for two sides to come to any consensus. Republicans and Democrats will vote down bills that would benefit everyone because neither side wants to let the other get any credit for doing something good. They live in fear that it will hurt them in the next election. We're willing to hold the other side accountable but, not our own.
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4 years ago
LMAO bills that help people….
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
My favorite kind of humor is basically if it was happening to you, it wouldn’t be funny, but to observe it, it’s hilarious.
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