Mike3316
4 years ago
Not to be outdone by CA or NY .... in NJ if you sell your home and purchase a new main residence out of state you are required to pay an 'exit tax' which is equivalent to 9% of the capital gains on your house or 2% of the sale price (not to be below $3,000) whichever is higher.
[spank]
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Can you sell, rent for a year, then move, or do they still come after you? If you sell at a loss, NJ should pay you to go. Fair's fair

Tax talk angers me. The FIL is always talking about inheritance tax, or death tax as he calls it. I get the concept of it being income for the the beneficiaries, but everything earned throughout the decedent's life was already taxed once. IRS is double dipping in this case. I call BS
Mike3316
4 years ago

Can you sell, rent for a year, then move, or do they still come after you? If you sell at a loss, NJ should pay you to go. Fair's fair

Tax talk angers me. The FIL is always talking about inheritance tax, or death tax as he calls it. I get the concept of it being income for the the beneficiaries, but everything earned throughout the decedent's life was already taxed once. IRS is double dipping in this case. I call BS

Sunoverbeach wrote:


Yes you COULD theoretically sell and rent for a year and then move but few people are willing to throw a year's worth of rent away when they just want to get the hell out of this state.

And yes - I agree 100% with you on the death tax. I remember when I was in law school we had some rather heated discussions about the topic in Wills and Estates class. lol
BuckyB93
4 years ago
The government is always double or triple dipping.

You work and get paid - they take out income tax (taxed once for working and earning money).
You buy something from what you have left and you pay sales tax, gas tax, etc.. (taxed again for spending your money).
Wanna save it or invest it - taxed on trying to let your money grow by saving or investing it.
Buy property - taxed on purchasing it and taxed on owning it.
You die and pass on your assets to a family member, they tax you again.

Here in MA, if you buy a car, boat, trailer, motorcycle... - you pay MA sales tax on the transaction. Then every year you get to pay an excise tax on those vehicles for the simple pleasure of owing it. Sounds logical - if you own something the government should get it's pound of flesh out of you for the simple reason that you own something.

Here's a kicker that blew me away from a real world experience as a young pup.
- When I graduated college, I bought a truck in WI then moved to MA.
- When I went to register it in MA, I had to show proof of ownership, bill of sale and stuff. No biggie, that's standard practice.
- Turned out the sales tax that I paid in WI was something like 1% less than the current sales tax in MA.
- In addition to the standard registration fees, they said I had to cough up the difference in sales tax and I owed MA the additional money on a truck that I bought in WI. That was not anticipated.
- When I asked if, for example, if I bought the truck in a state that had a higher sales tax would I get reimbursed the difference by the state of MA. They laughed (literately) at me - nope it doesn't work that way.

Real world slap of reality of my 2nd experience with MA taxes.
- Fast forward to a year later.
- I get a bill in the mail that says I owe excise tax on the truck.
- Went into work the next day and asked a co-worker WTF is this excise bill that I got?
- He explained to me that I'll have to pay that tax every year and the tax goes to support the roads and stuff. But don't worry, it will go down. The amount you'll owe every year will based on what MA determines as the value of the vehicle and not the real value of the vehicle.
- WTF? Isn't that what the gas tax is supposed to pay for?
- More laughs... Welcome to MA, kid.

The only certain things in life are death and taxes.
izonfire
4 years ago

The government is always double or triple dipping.

You work and get paid - they take out income tax (taxed once for working and earning money).
You buy something from what you have left and you pay sales tax, gas tax, etc.. (taxed again for spending your money).
Wanna save it or invest it - taxed on trying to let your money grow by saving or investing it.
Buy property - taxed on purchasing it and taxed on owning it.
You die and pass on your assets to a family member, they tax you again.

Here in MA, if you buy a car, boat, trailer, motorcycle... - you pay MA sales tax on the transaction. Then every year you get to pay an excise tax on those vehicles for the simple pleasure of owing it. Sounds logical - if you own something the government should get it's pound of flesh out of you for the simple reason that you own something.

Here's a kicker that blew me away from a real world experience as a young pup.
- When I graduated college, I bought a truck in WI then moved to MA.
- When I went to register it in MA, I had to show proof of ownership, bill of sale and stuff. No biggie, that's standard practice.
- Turned out the sales tax that I paid in WI was something like 1% less than the current sales tax in MA.
- In addition to the standard registration fees, they said I had to cough up the difference in sales tax and I owed MA the additional money on a truck that I bought in WI. That was not anticipated.
- When I asked if, for example, if I bought the truck in a state that had a higher sales tax would I get reimbursed the difference by the state of MA. They laughed (literately) at me - nope it doesn't work that way.

Real world slap of reality of my 2nd experience with MA taxes.
- Fast forward to a year later.
- I get a bill in the mail that says I owe excise tax on the truck.
- Went into work the next day and asked a co-worker WTF is this excise bill that I got?
- He explained to me that I'll have to pay that tax every year and the tax goes to support the roads and stuff. But don't worry, it will go down. The amount you'll owe every year will based on what MA determines as the value of the vehicle and not the real value of the vehicle.
- WTF? Isn't that what the gas tax is supposed to pay for?
- More laughs... Welcome to MA, kid.

The only certain things in life are death and taxes.

BuckyB93 wrote:


Just as the Forefathers had envisioned.
No???
Mike3316
4 years ago
Bucky - I'd be curious to know if anyone has ever challenged in court MA's ability to tax a sale that didn't take place within its boarders by an individual who was not a resident of MA when the transaction occurred? Under what authority does MA claim the right to tax a purchase made in WI? Theoretically then, the state could have 'taxed' you on every item that you brought into the state that was purchased anywhere else. Sounds like something that I'd challenger in court. I'm just sayin ......
Sunoverbeach
4 years ago
Wow, I'd probably have become one of those maniacs on the viral videos, screaming at the helpless workers about my rights as an American citizen. The excise I've become jaded to over the years. IN just sneaks it into your annual registration fee, so it doesn't feel as blatant.

Happy Thur, peeps!
Ram27
4 years ago
Thursday greetings folks.............
deadeyedick
4 years ago
Last I heard the Fed death tax exclusion was $5.5 million per individual and $11 million per couple and I believe it is indexed each year. I'm not too worried about it.
MACS
4 years ago
Yep... CA registration for my truck this year? $625.

When I had my boat I got an "unsecured property tax: bill every year, based on what they thought the property was worth. So... I paid taxes on it when I bought it and then taxes every year until I sold it. Then... knowing that CA would fuck it up, even though we did the sale properly through the DMV, I kept my bill of sale and had to fight with the country to quit taxing me for a boat they KNEW I sold.
izonfire
4 years ago
G’mernin ya skallywags…
8trackdisco
4 years ago

The government is always double or triple dipping.

You work and get paid - they take out income tax (taxed once for working and earning money).
You buy something from what you have left and you pay sales tax, gas tax, etc.. (taxed again for spending your money).
Wanna save it or invest it - taxed on trying to let your money grow by saving or investing it.
Buy property - taxed on purchasing it and taxed on owning it.
You die and pass on your assets to a family member, they tax you again.

Here in MA, if you buy a car, boat, trailer, motorcycle... - you pay MA sales tax on the transaction. Then every year you get to pay an excise tax on those vehicles for the simple pleasure of owing it. Sounds logical - if you own something the government should get it's pound of flesh out of you for the simple reason that you own something.

Here's a kicker that blew me away from a real world experience as a young pup.
- When I graduated college, I bought a truck in WI then moved to MA.
- When I went to register it in MA, I had to show proof of ownership, bill of sale and stuff. No biggie, that's standard practice.
- Turned out the sales tax that I paid in WI was something like 1% less than the current sales tax in MA.
- In addition to the standard registration fees, they said I had to cough up the difference in sales tax and I owed MA the additional money on a truck that I bought in WI. That was not anticipated.
- When I asked if, for example, if I bought the truck in a state that had a higher sales tax would I get reimbursed the difference by the state of MA. They laughed (literately) at me - nope it doesn't work that way.

Real world slap of reality of my 2nd experience with MA taxes.
- Fast forward to a year later.
- I get a bill in the mail that says I owe excise tax on the truck.
- Went into work the next day and asked a co-worker WTF is this excise bill that I got?
- He explained to me that I'll have to pay that tax every year and the tax goes to support the roads and stuff. But don't worry, it will go down. The amount you'll owe every year will based on what MA determines as the value of the vehicle and not the real value of the vehicle.
- WTF? Isn't that what the gas tax is supposed to pay for?
- More laughs... Welcome to MA, kid.

The only certain things in life are death and taxes.

BuckyB93 wrote:



When I read stuff like this, and Mike's and MACS' I can't fathom which is more idiotic.
The states for enacting these rules, or for you to keep living there, feeding these beasts.
It's like a horror movie. If you get a phone call from the killer and he/she/they/inset pronoun here) are inside your house..... get .... out..... of ..... the...... house.

Especially you, Bucky. Aren't you only 20 miles from Live Free or Die? Or, are they as whacked as the Masshole government?


8trackdisco
4 years ago
31 degrees. Inch of snow. Maybe another inch yet this morning. High of 38.
Warms to low-mid 40's for the next five days- or so they say.

Drinking coffee out of a Arizona mug. Think I bought it in...... Arizona.
8trackdisco
4 years ago
Total tax burden by state. NY #1.
HI, ME, VT and MN round out the top 5.
MA #20.... WI... #21.
Maybe I should move to MA. Or in with my ma.
Bottom 5: NH, WY, DE, TN and AK.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494#expert=Donald_Bruce 
Gene363
4 years ago

They may want it... but they can't legally have it.

MACS wrote:



We'll see. After our move from CA TO TX I made more money so I had to pay more tax on the income I had earned in CA, I was pissed. Oh, and when I sold my house in CA, years after we moved out, they wanted to withhold money from the sale and make me file taxes in California to get it back, the Mother Fu***ers. Only by doing a 1031 exchange, one rental property for another, did I avoid that final raping.
Gene363
4 years ago
Good Thursday Morning! It's a rainy 66° on the way to 78° today, a perfect day for a funeral.
deadeyedick
4 years ago

31 degrees. Inch of snow. Maybe another inch yet this morning. High of 38.
Warms to low-mid 40's for the next five days- or so they say.

Drinking coffee out of a Arizona mug. Think I bought it in...... Arizona.

8trackdisco wrote:



Did you pay tax on that?

I just read that Cali is studying how much and to which blacks they will pay reparations. MACS better hurry.
8trackdisco
4 years ago

Did you pay tax on that?

deadeyedick wrote:



Yes. I recall the tax being something like 7.5%. Was wondering WTF, it is only 5% in Sconnie. 5.5% actually after the greed and gold rapists squeezed another half a percent.

]I just read that Cali is studying how much and to which blacks they will pay reparations. MACS better hurry.

I don't think MACS identifies as black.
MACS
4 years ago
Depends... I will identify as black if they're gonna pay me, but it better be a big enough amount to make me stay.

I have been biding my time 8track. Needed to get to 50 for my county pension... check. Needed to get the wife on board and that was the issue... check.

It's happening this year, dammit.
HockeyDad
4 years ago

Did you pay tax on that?

I just read that Cali is studying how much and to which blacks they will pay reparations. MACS better hurry.

deadeyedick wrote:



They just made a big decision on that one. They are only going to pay reparations to direct descendants of slaves instead of all blacks. It is controversial.
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