Not saying your statement is wrong, but careful how hard you throw stones in that glass house. Tax breaks on EVs, tax breaks on residential solar panel installation, subsidies for wind and solar generation.....

How many times can you subtract 10 from 100?
Once. After that, you're subtracting from 90, then 80, then...

Sunoverbeach wrote:

Not saying your statement is wrong, but careful how hard you throw stones in that glass house. Tax breaks on EVs, tax breaks on residential solar panel installation, subsidies for wind and solar generation.....

How many times can you subtract 10 from 100?
Once. After that, you're subtracting from 90, then 80, then...

Sunoverbeach wrote:

Impractical for you, that may be.

More than practical for me though - and I McLov it!

Brewha wrote:

I'm jealous that you're able to make it work.

New England doesn't have the same sunlight hours.

My rant isn't about making a switch to an EV. It's the government forcing it upon us.

tailgater wrote:

I know that no one wants Prius to be the future, but it's been many years since they were recharging whenever they slowed down/braked.
Why hasn't this technology been pushed by now? No electricity from any fuel source required.

Or Hydrogen?

frankj1 wrote:

Fair enough. But see it for what it is - a 10 to 20 year phase out of gas burning cars.

Remember when they figured out how bad HCFC's (read Freon) are so they started banning their use? They started in 2003 and won't finish until 2030. When I replaced our home HVAC I had to get one that didn't use Freon. No big deal - BUT THE GOVERMENT FORCED ME (wgaf)!

Myself I really love that the govmut is kicking the lazy azz auto industry in the pills and making them start building the cars they should have 20 years ago.

Brewha wrote:

My car drives with full regenerative braking - normally you never touch the brake peddle, and the slow down energy goes back into the battery. Called "one peddle driving". The exception is if the battery is already at 100%.

My understanding is that most all new EV's use regenerative braking. The Prius is like 20 years old....and a good reason not to like EV's. Besides, it is a Hybrid - not a true BEV (Battery Electric Vehicle).

Toyota sells Fuel Cell cars (hydrogen electric - google "Mirai") in Hawaii/CA. This is a test case infrastructure thing because you need "gas stations" to tank up on liquid hydrogen. These cars have great promise, but likely wont become conventional because of the difficulties of dealing with liquid hydrogen. This may well be the long term path for air craft (hydrogen electric).

The technology is much further along than most people know....

Brewha wrote:

The technology fits the needs of only a small subset of our population. I enjoy skiing in the winter months (for instance). A 3 or 4 hour drive would virtually deplete today's EV battery, and if it's snowing there isn't enough sun to recharge with a panel. And there won't be hundreds of recharge stations at the mountain. And if there were, where would they get the electricity to power them?

A month ago, my wife and I drove out to the Finger Lakes in NY. Over a 6 hour drive.
Regenerative braking helps "top off" the battery, but the efficiency doesn't allow for unlimited driving.
Today, it takes 5 minutes to fill up. I'm not ready to add hours to my drive just to make some misguided politicians and left minded moonbats feel good about themselves. Because at the end of the day, most of the power will still originate at a fossil fuel plant. Lest we embrace nuclear (as we should).

It's an incomplete technology that works great in a specific application. Implementing mandates today, without a suitable alternative, is government overreach.
At best.

tailgater wrote:

We only talk about vehicle emissions because that affects us personally each day but that sector only accounts for something like 15-20% of total C02 emissions.

We are going to need a whole lot more than EVs if the scientists are correct. Geo engineering anybody?

deadeyedick wrote: