Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
How do trees get online?
They log in
Brewha
3 years ago

Sounds like a fun drive. Honey, you drive while I figure out where we're going based on these superchargers. Romantic.

And you still don't get it. You don't have to sell me on the technology. It's the mandate I oppose. And will do so with great fervor. Partly because the infrastructure literally doesn't exist. And it won't in 13 years.
CA has been trying to improve their electrical infrastructure for well over a decade. And what have we got? Brown outs and power cable forest fires. Even without the plug in EV's to worry about.

So what are you saying? that NOW it will be different?
LOL! Not even you can believe that.

tailgater wrote:


What I don't get is your assertion that the infrastructure does not exist and won't in 13 years.
I use 100% existing infrastructure for my car today.
No there isn't a charger so you can live in a van down by the river - yet.

And none of the dozens of charge stations in my area were there 10 years ago. But they continue to pop us quickly. Not that most really need them day to day.



They need the mandate - hell we need the mandates. Or else people and businesses will sit around whining that it's too tough, too impractical, and it will never happen.
But where there is a will there is a way - and we're just gonna have to make people do it.

HockeyDad
3 years ago
Nope. No mandates.
Brewha
3 years ago

The house is rated at 200 amps 120V.
If every appliance in your home were 240V you'd only be rated for 100 amps with the same service.

That's why a typical panel will require two slots for the breaker on a 240 line, instead of just the one.


You don't need to be an engineer to know this.

tailgater wrote:


No - if all circuits were 240 volts - you get the same amps.

You would have to be an engineer or electrician to know that house with 200 amp service would have 48,000 watts maximum, because homes get 240 volts split in 2 legs of the same phase.
If you only use one leg to neural - you only get 24,000 watts, because its all 120 volt.
Home circuits are almost always of mix the two single phase voltages.
btw - you only get to use 160 amps continuously according to code.

The take away here is that if you were to use all 240 volt breakers you would get twice the power with the same 200 amps.

Twice the power hidden in the panel - who knew?
Brewha
3 years ago

Nope. No mandates.

HockeyDad wrote:


Come on HD - take one for the team.
tailgater
3 years ago

No - if all circuits were 240 volts - you get the same amps.

You would have to be an engineer or electrician to know that house with 200 amp service would have 48,000 watts maximum, because homes get 240 volts split in 2 legs of the same phase.
If you only use one leg to neural - you only get 24,000 watts, because its all 120 volt.
Home circuits are almost always of mix the two single phase voltages.
btw - you only get to use 160 amps continuously according to code.

The take away here is that if you were to use all 240 volt breakers you would get twice the power with the same 200 amps.

Twice the power hidden in the panel - who knew?

Brewha wrote:




Phase.
Thank you. We upgraded electric at work. But it wasn't due to 240 or 480. It was 2 to 3 phase.

Funny thing: Up here in the Northeast, a lot of homes have 100 amp service. And a lot of others have 60 amps.

Yeah. We've got old homes.

But...mandate.

tailgater
3 years ago
Timely piece on the news radio today.

The Pilgrim Nuclear Plant in Plymouth MA is not allowed to trickle out the radioactive cooling wastewater into the bay. Seems that despite "the science", the environmentalists are putting up a fight.
And there's only a million gallons of it...

Next up:
The town of Falmouth MA (here on Cape Cod) is finally tearing down two large wind turbines that have sat dormant for years due to public displeasure with them.
Loud.
Health and mental well being due to flicker effect.
Ugly.


I'm sure both stories could be blamed on your typical NIMBY mentality.
But we're in Massachusetts.
We're bluer than LaLa Land on the opposite coast.

If a bunch of liberals can't or won't allow alternative energy sources, how on earth are we going to revamp our entire electric infrastructure to accommodate an all-EV marketplace in just 13 years?

Brewha
3 years ago

Timely piece on the news radio today.

The Pilgrim Nuclear Plant in Plymouth MA is not allowed to trickle out the radioactive cooling wastewater into the bay. Seems that despite "the science", the environmentalists are putting up a fight.
And there's only a million gallons of it...

Next up:
The town of Falmouth MA (here on Cape Cod) is finally tearing down two large wind turbines that have sat dormant for years due to public displeasure with them.
Loud.
Health and mental well being due to flicker effect.
Ugly.


I'm sure both stories could be blamed on your typical NIMBY mentality.
But we're in Massachusetts.
We're bluer than LaLa Land on the opposite coast.

If a bunch of liberals can't or won't allow alternative energy sources, how on earth are we going to revamp our entire electric infrastructure to accommodate an all-EV marketplace in just 13 years?

tailgater wrote:


How you ask? With the spirt and know how that defines us as Americans.
And never mind that the Chinese are kicking our Azzes - that’s only temporary (?).
Have Americans ever give up when things got tough - no.
Did we give up when hitler bombed Pearl Harbor - NO!
We are AMERICANS and will lead the world in clean energy, technology and know how - cause it’s us, god damn it.



No better lessons come than those from failures. And we a blazing new trails here. Time to button up.



Brewha
3 years ago
To breakdown the problem further:

There are two camps in America. Those who know we need to clean things up. Those that know we don’t.

What shows in this thread is that many honestly don’t think that EV’s are needed. And that are quick to point out the problems and sell the idea that EV’s are some evils plot to profit off of consumers.
You cannot sell these people on fixing a problem that they honestly or not believe does not exist.

The 1st camp has more parts.
People that know it is just a matter of doing it.
People that question it’s practicality.
People that know it just won’t work.

Now, the crux of the problem for the last two categories is that the technology of energy production and usage is complex. Most people do not understand it, and are unlikely to research it because - well it prolly is all just bull****, just like science.





When I was born there were 3 billion people in the world. Now there are 8 billion people in the world.
Things need to change.

DrafterX
3 years ago
That's why Fauci made the covid... 😟
HockeyDad
3 years ago

That's why Fauci made the covid... 😟

DrafterX wrote:



Pretty much.
ZRX1200
3 years ago
Sounds like if the we need EV crowd just holds their breath forever then the problem is solved.
DrafterX
3 years ago
True.. true. 😟
Brewha
3 years ago
Looks like New York is issuing a no new gas car mandate in 2035 too.

Bravo!
RayR
3 years ago

Looks like New York is issuing a no new gas car mandate in 2035 too.

Bravo!

Brewha wrote:



Cheering on rule by evil dicktators again Brew? 🤨
Brewha
3 years ago

That's why Fauci made the covid... 😟

DrafterX wrote:


Thank you Drafter.
I sometimes forget the audience here….. 😒
RayR
3 years ago
Brew if I understand the crux of the problem according to you is that the simpleton proles don't know what is good for them so they need technocrats and dicktators to force them to heed the demands of the smaut central planner people.
BuckyB93
3 years ago
Yeah, what works for Brew should be mandated and imposed on everyone... for the common "good" for humanity.

One double NINE!s

HockeyDad
3 years ago
Good thing Florida didn’t mandate electric cars.
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