RayR
3 years ago

This was a great thread Russ.

We proved that states right is just a talking point.
Got some quality exercise from our captains Cut-N-Paste.
And saw a bromance bloom.

Good job!

Brewha wrote:



You don't read so good either. 👀
Besides being full of 💩

drglnc
3 years ago
Yes… I read it… clearly you didn’t… article 4 section 3… please explain in your own words …
drglnc
3 years ago
I will even provide the relevant portion so you don’t have to think hard… “In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States”.
RayR
3 years ago

I will even provide the relevant portion so you don’t have to think hard… “In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected be Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States”.

drglnc wrote:



So what's different about that and the U.S. Constitution, the only difference being that the U.S. Constitution didn't explicitly use the word "slavery" in it but still recognized slavery where it existed?

As Frederick Douglass once asked, “If the Constitution were intended to be by its framers and adopters a slave-holding instrument, then why would neither “slavery,” “slave-holding,” nor “slave” be anywhere found in it?”

He was right about that, it was never intended as a document mandating slavery in the sovereign states.

Remember what Mussomeli wrote? "Both the 1787 and 1861 Constitutions provide an overall security net for slavery. Neither mandate slavery." 👀







frankj1
3 years ago
but states' rights then simply meant some states wanted to be left alone to decide if people could own people.
Unless you simply want to pretend.
They are one and the same.

Ray, you got steamrolled on this one.
RayR
3 years ago

but states' rights then simply meant some states wanted to be left alone to decide if people could own people.
Unless you simply want to pretend.
They are one and the same.

Ray, you got steamrolled on this one.

frankj1 wrote:



Frank, you are just adding a new layer of LEFTY dumbness to the conversation. Did you read at all? 👀 Comprehend much?

"states' rights then simply meant some states wanted to be left alone to decide if people could own people."

WTF! Holy 💩! 😂
frankj1
3 years ago
it was THE main issue...certainly lot's of stuff goes along with states' rights.
But owning humans as assets and the base of their economy was the biggest issue.

Clean it up all you want. Those states did not want to be told to have their agricultural economy pay for the labor.
RayR
3 years ago

it was THE main issue...certainly lot's of stuff goes along with states' rights.
But owning humans as assets and the base of their economy was the biggest issue.

Clean it up all you want. Those states did not want to be told to have their agricultural economy pay for the labor.

frankj1 wrote:



Those "Righteous Myth" Yankee history books told you all that?
Short and sweet huh? No caveats? Nothing MESSY that deviates from the narrative?
All the peoples just wanted to own peoples so da slaves could work the fields and the Mastas could sit around drinking mint juleps? 🤨

Since most people didn't own a slave and their personal economy wasn't based on owning humans as assets, what were they fighting for?

So Southern Confederates like non-human asset owner Moses Jacob Ezekiel (yes, he was Jewish) who took up arms against the Yankee invaders, a cadet at Virginia’s Military Institute, stated, “We were not fighting for the perpetuation of slavery, but for the principle of States Rights and Free Trade, and in defense of our homes which were being ruthlessly invaded.”

The Economy, Stupid

By John Marquardt
March 13, 2020

Just as the Earth revolves on its axis each day and travels around the Sun in an equally regular pattern, so has world history tended to be cyclical in nature throughout the centuries, with many episodes seemingly being repeated countless times over. In many cases the basic cause behind such recurring cataclysmic events as war, radical changes in political systems or the fall of nations and empires has involved economics. A current example of the latter is the financial dilemma which now threatens to bring about the economic, if not the total, collapse of the European Union . . . namely where to find the more than eighty billion dollars in revenue that will be lost due to the United Kingdom’s secession from the Union. A similar economic situation had faced Great Britain itself almost two and a half centuries earlier on the other side of the Atlantic. At that time, thirteen of its major colonies, with a cry of “no taxation without representation,” declared their independence, seceded from the British Empire and joined together to form the United States of America. Faced with the loss of a vast source of the revenue needed to fill coffers drained by its seemingly endless wars with France, Great Britain opted to wage war on its own colonies.

Less than a century later, seven of the States in the new American nation felt that the weight of long economic oppression by the Federal government was more than they should be forced to bear and opted to secede from the Unites States to form their own more perfect union . . . and once again the action brought forth a war in which the central government attacked its own citizens to prevent their departure. Today, the majority of historians cite only slavery as the central cause of the War Between the States, and while the institution did play an important role in events leading to the South’s secession, it certainly was not the casus belli itself. During the antebellum period there were groups of Americans in both the North and South which were opposed to the concept of human bondage and actively worked to abolish slavery, but with only a very small minority of them advocating total integration following emancipation. However, the majority of Americans, including leaders such as Abraham Lincoln, were willing to allow the status quo to continue in regard to Southern slavery and many of them, like Lincoln, also felt that should the time ever come when the slaves were granted their freedom, they should be shipped out of their home country to some foreign land in Africa or the Caribbean.

Speaking of Lincoln, in his earlier statements he was quite definite in his thoughts about secession, slavery and black Americans. In 1848, when Lincoln was a U. S. congressman from Illinois, he gave a speech in the House of Representatives in which he stated “any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world.” In a letter a decade later, Lincoln wrote that “neither the General Government, nor any other power outside of the slave States, can constitutionally or rightfully interfere with slaves or slavery where it already exists.” The same year, in an Illinois debate with Senator Stephen Douglass, Lincoln said that he did not understand the Declaration of Independence “to mean that all men were created equal in all respects,” and added that he was not in favor of “making voters or jurors of Negros nor of qualifying them to hold office nor to intermarry with white people.” He then went on to say that “there is a physical difference between the white and black races, which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality.” So much for the image of the “Great Emancipator.”

More...

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-economy-stupid/ 



frankj1
3 years ago
didn't read the drivel, likely posted before cuz I remember you pulling the same guy Jew card out of your azz a while back.
Oh wow,.. a bad Jew guy thought it was OK to own human beings.
My bad.

Your real belief in an alien lizard invasion cross breeding with Earthlings is more telling than your revisionist views.

It's kinda Icke...see what I did there?

"The owner of a Christian surf school in California who has admitted to killing his two young children because he believed they’d inherited serpent DNA from their mother told the FBI he was radicalized by the former BBC sports presenter-turned-conspiracy theorist David Icke."

And knowing you subscribe to this makes it hard to take you seriously...I'm sure you understand.
RayR
3 years ago

didn't read the drivel, likely posted before cuz I remember you pulling the same guy Jew card out of your azz a while back.
Oh wow,.. a bad Jew guy thought it was OK to own human beings.
My bad.

Your real belief in an alien lizard invasion cross breeding with Earthlings is more telling than your revisionist views.

It's kinda Icke...see what I did there?

"The owner of a Christian surf school in California who has admitted to killing his two young children because he believed they’d inherited serpent DNA from their mother told the FBI he was radicalized by the former BBC sports presenter-turned-conspiracy theorist David Icke."

And knowing you subscribe to this makes it hard to take you seriously...I'm sure you understand.

frankj1 wrote:



Don't try to change the subject to your outrageous Lizard People stories Frankie you read in The National Enquirer or something at the checkout. 🦎

I'm sorry you can't read so good either Frankie. 👀
I'm sorry you disrespect the THOUSANDS of your Jewish Confederate brethren too. You HATE them I'm sure and hide your eyes from their words...
Do you want to desecrate their graves and tear down their monuments?
Gen. Ulysses S. Grant hated the Jews too you know. You probably like him. 💋
Are you going to allow your Yankee political correctness to surgically remove significant aspects of Jewish history from the social record? 😳

Jewish Confederates
By Jonathan Harris
November 9, 2017

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/jewish-confederates/#_ftn5 
PapaWhiskey
3 years ago

Don't try to change the subject to your outrageous Lizard People stories Frankie you read in The National Enquirer or something at the checkout. 🦎

RayR wrote:



But the lizard people do exist! chameleon like, one minute smokin hottie then other times super evil lizard woman. I know because I was married to one for several years 😟
Sunoverbeach
3 years ago
We're equating antisemitism now to being for or against slavery? You'll never get hired in an Ohio pizza place with this level of deductive reasoning
RayR
3 years ago

But the lizard people do exist! chameleon like, one minute smokin hottie then other times super evil lizard woman. I know because I was married to one for several years 😟

PapaWhiskey wrote:



Yes, the chameleon lizard people do exist as super evil lizard women. We've all known them, I dated a few myself.
But the lizard people that I expose have names like Biden and pretty much everybody in his Crime Family administration, and Newsom, Hochul, Whitmer, Lightfoot, Fetterman, Hobbs...well you get the idea. Dedicated to doing evil.
Frank denies they exist but will try to throw you off track and switch focus to David Icke and Reptilian Space Aliens.
You know something...Frank might be one of them. 😱
Brewha
3 years ago

We're equating antisemitism now to being for or against slavery? You'll never get hired in an Ohio pizza place with this level of deductive reasoning

Sunoverbeach wrote:


Told yah he was mad about not getting the job….
RayR
3 years ago

We're equating antisemitism now to being for or against slavery? You'll never get hired in an Ohio pizza place with this level of deductive reasoning

Sunoverbeach wrote:



Some people do I guess. I don't get it myself. Go figure.
It seems Yankee grooming involves reducing reasoning down to whatever your religion or ethnic background, you must be guilty of being a supporter of the institution of slavery if you lived in and supported the Confederate States of America.

If I owned a pizzeria, I would never hire a person with that kind of reasoning.
rfenst
3 years ago

Some people do I guess. I don't get it myself. Go figure.
It seems Yankee grooming involves reducing reasoning down to whatever your religion or ethnic background, you must be guilty of being a supporter of the institution of slavery if you lived in and supported the Confederate States of America.

If I owned a pizzeria, I would never hire a person with that kind of reasoning.

RayR wrote:


What if they were a good worker with good experience who made you a lot of money and didn't discuss politics or religion with you?
RayR
3 years ago

What if they were a good worker with good experience who made you a lot of money and didn't discuss politics or religion with you?

rfenst wrote:



Well, that is a hypothetical situation, assuming they could shut their mouth and not let their illogical thinking spill over into their work.
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