ZRX1200
3 years ago
I think that’s why they’re so afraid of “climate change”…..

The weather is wonderful is like the only good thing left to say about LA.
RayR
3 years ago

Just like you would return or actually have returned any government benefits you will or currently receive?

After all, what's "good for the goose is good for the gander."

Walk the walk big-shot.

rfenst wrote:



You mean those "government benefits" for which I never voluntarily signed a contract but was forced to pay regardless in more ways than one? Pay us or else, pay us so we may send you a pittance in return to show our munificence. I think that's always the gist of it.
MACS
3 years ago
Sooooo when people talk about global warming (or climate change) the question to ask is "Since when?"

100 years ago? Very slightly warmer.

500 years ago? Slightly cooler.

1000 years ago? Slightly warmer.

2000 years ago? Notably cooler.

Before humans were onthe planet? It warmed and cooled drastically. 3 known ice ages. Got way colder, way warmer, way colder, way warmer, way colder and way warmer. All before we were here.

But yeah... lets spend trillions to do what? MAYBE change things by a half a degree?
RayR
3 years ago
It's not about the climate MACS...it's just another scheme to scare the proles with another hobgoblin to make it easier to plunder them.
rfenst
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3 years ago

You mean those "government benefits" for which I never voluntarily signed a contract but was forced to pay regardless in more ways than one? Pay us or else, pay us so we may send you a pittance in return to show our munificence. I think that's always the gist of it.

RayR wrote:


Pay back all government covid benefits received.
Payback all child credit benefits received.
Payback all Medicaid received or to be received
Payback all Medicare received or to be received.
Payback any social security or government insured/backed retirement received or to be received.
Refuse to take any government benefits.

Then, and only then, you will walk your talk.
RayR
3 years ago
This puts the DEBT CEILING clown show that the corporate press is subjecting us to every day in a proper perspective as they urge you to take sides on which wing of the Uniparty is good and which is evil. 🤡😈

The reality is there is no meaningful difference between the majority of so-called "conservative" right-wing Republicans and the "progressive" left-wing Democrats. The evil Democrats make no illusions about their goals that they want to continue spending like drunken sailors and putting all the drinks on your tab. The Republicans supposedly are the sober ones that drink responsibly, some people still believe that anyway.

Michael Malice's memorable quote says, “Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed limit.” True enough, there really are few true conservatives these days, it's politics over principle when the Republicans are in power, anybody that still thinks they are the party of small government and fiscal responsibility needs to check in for a mental health evaluation.

The debt ceiling melodrama is a Uniparty diversion from reality

There is no real resistance in D.C. to the growth of government and the money printing fiasco.

JORDAN SCHACHTEL
MAY 26, 2023

The Swamp People want to convince you that they truly care about our government’s expansion and spending addiction, and they’re putting on a show for every television camera they can find.

According to the corporate media narrative, Republicans are said to be “holding the line” with excruciating cuts to your grandma’s social security. Democrats are seeking a clean increase for the most malleable “debt ceiling” ever installed, given that it has been raised 78 times since 1960.

With America being well over $30 trillion in debt, you would think that these democratically elected legislators would act as responsible stewards for the fiscal health of their constituents.

Unfortunately, that label only applies to somewhere between two to four percent (that might be too generous) of the 535 members of Congress. Most of the American ruling class suffers greatly from a disease called high time preference, which is incentivized by our broken economic system, and Congress is certainly not immunized from this disease.

Legislators are now reportedly closing in on a deal that will reduce spending by a whopping 0.2%. Yes, you read that correctly. They want to roll back spending by 0.2% of GDP. And it gets worse when you put it in its proper context.

More...

https://www.dossier.today/p/the-debt-ceiling-melodrama-is-a-uniparty 

DrafterX
3 years ago
As long as Biden learns his lesson....[-(
RayR
3 years ago

Pay back all government covid benefits received.
Payback all child credit benefits received.
Payback all Medicaid received or to be received
Payback all Medicare received or to be received.
Payback any social security or government insured/backed retirement received or to be received.
Refuse to take any government benefits.

Then, and only then, you will walk your talk.

rfenst wrote:



You walk and talk just like a LEFTY.
You not only want me to return the little bit I have of what they originally stole from me, but you also want me to give back what I never received or will never receive.
rfenst
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3 years ago

You walk and talk just like a LEFTY.
You not only want me to return the little bit I have of what they originally stole from me, but you also want me to give back what I never received or will never receive.

RayR wrote:


How much have you have paid - How much have you benefitted = Your current loss.

Calculate real roughly and tell me a gross approximation of your current loss and a few of the factors you considered.

I am sincerely curious...
rfenst
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3 years ago
Biden, McCarthy Put Final Touches on Their Debt-Ceiling Deal, President Says
House lawmakers could vote as early as Wednesday as conservatives voice opposition


WSJ

President Biden and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.) have ironed out the final elements of their agreement to raise the nation’s borrowing limit, Biden said Sunday evening, ahead of congressional votes on the deal that could come as early as Wednesday in the House.

Biden’s announcement came a day after White House and House Republican negotiators reached a tentative deal to raise the debt ceiling for two years and curb two years of government spending. They have been racing to beat a deadline of June 5, when the Treasury Department says the government will run out of money to pay its bills, which could trigger an unprecedented default on U.S. government debt and cascading problems through the global economy.

“The agreement prevents the worst possible crisis—a default for the first time in our nation’s history, an economic recession, retirement accounts devastated, millions of jobs lost,” Biden said in remarks from the White House on Sunday evening.

With some conservative Republicans in both chambers signaling initial opposition to the deal, Biden urged both chambers of Congress to approve the agreement and said McCarthy would have sufficient votes in the Republican-led House to secure passage.

He also sought to quell concerns among Democrats over some of the deal’s provisions, such as additional work requirements for certain government safety-net programs, and rejected criticism from some progressive lawmakers that the agreement would let vulnerable people go hungry. “That’s a ridiculous assertion,” Biden said.

McCarthy on Sunday began promoting the measure to wary conservatives within his GOP conference and to a wider audience, saying the tentative agreement was a historic achievement for Republicans.

He said the agreement included GOP priorities such as caps on certain spending categories, a clawback of funding for new tax-enforcement agents, additional work requirements for some government safety-net programs and expedited rules for approving construction projects. “So, maybe it doesn’t do everything for everyone. But this is a step in the right direction that no one thought we’d be at today,’’ he said on the Fox network.

Biden and McCarthy, who talked for about 90 minutes on Saturday night, spoke again on Sunday, after which text of the legislation was expected to be released.

Details of the agreement were still emerging, with lawmakers drawing different conclusions about what it contained. In a sign of the long road ahead, several of McCarthy’s GOP members indicated that they would oppose the deal. Many had urged him to push harder for elements of a bill that House Republicans had passed last month to raise the debt ceiling for about a year while curbing government spending for a decade and rolling back some of the clean-energy incentives in last year’s Inflation Reduction Act, one of Biden’s signature policy accomplishments.

They said the deal falls short of the House GOP goal, imposing spending limits for the 2024 and 2025 fiscal years for nonmilitary spending. Beyond that, it includes spending targets that aren’t enforceable.

Rep. Ralph Norman (R., S.C.), in a late-night tweet, called the tentative deal “insanity.”

“Not gonna vote to bankrupt our country,” he wrote. “The American people deserve better.”

Rep. Ken Buck (R., Colo.) wrote on Twitter that he was “appalled by the debt ceiling surrender.”

Rep. Dan Bishop (R., N.C.) wrote Sunday that McCarthy hadn’t clawed back enough of the $80 billion that Congress approved last year to modernize the Internal Revenue Service and hire more staff. “So there will be 85,260 more IRS agents rather than 87,000 to eat you alive,’’ he wrote on Twitter. “Big win.”

He also said that McCarthy had undermined GOP efforts to claw back additional IRS money next year by agreeing to raise the debt ceiling enough to meet government needs for two years.

McCarthy played down the opposition among House GOP lawmakers, saying that “more than 95% of all those in the conference were very excited.”

“We capped so that the president can’t just spend money wildly,” McCarthy said, calling the deal “worthy of the American people.”

House Republicans hold a narrow, 222-213 majority, and so just a few GOP defections could endanger the bill. One Democrat, Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut, said that some in his party could wind up helping Republicans pass the legislation because the measure is a “very, very small bill’’ that falls far short of making the cuts and changes that House Republicans passed last month.

“It’s not a bill that’s going to make any Democrats happy, but it’s a small enough bill that in the service of actually not destroying the economy this week may get Democratic votes,’’ Himes said on Fox.

Main elements of the framework agreement include:

—A small cut in nonmilitary spending for the 2024 fiscal year, which begins Oct. 1, and a 1% cap on spending increases for the 2025 fiscal year. Veterans’ health programs would be exempt.

Military spending in fiscal 2024 would be roughly at the level of Biden’s fiscal 2024 budget request, according to two people familiar with the matter, which would amount to about a 3% increase.

—A clawback of some unspent Covid-19 money that Congress passed to battle the pandemic.

—A $10 billion reduction in funds that Congress approved last year for the Internal Revenue Service to boost tax enforcement and modernize its technology.

—A provision aimed at pushing Congress to give up its practice of funding the government through a single, omnibus bill, as it has done in recent years, and to return to the tradition of passing 12 appropriations bills that cover the various parts of the federal budget. The measure has potential to win conservative support for the deal and was pushed by an influential Republican, Rep. Thomas Massie (R., Ky.), who believes that Congress should follow regular order when conducting its business.

The provision would call for the U.S. government to operate under a so-called continuing resolution at 99% of the prior year’s spending levels until the spending bills were enacted. Lawmakers were awaiting text to see the date at which the cuts would be triggered.

—Imposition of a one- or two-year time limit to complete environmental reviews for energy projects. Currently, reviews required under the National Environmental Policy Act of 1970 take an average 4.5 years to complete and involve multiple federal agencies.

It is unclear how those timelines would be enforced, however. In recent weeks, lawmakers in both parties have begun holding talks on a broad overhaul of the environmental review process, and McCarthy said he would support further changes to permitting rules.

—A temporary expansion through 2030 of the requirement that some able-bodied people without dependents hold a job or be enrolled in a job training program to receive food stamps, which is a Republican priority.

The deal would largely require able-bodied, low-income adults without dependents between the ages of 49 and 54 to work to receive food aid, phased in over three years. Currently, under rules resuming by July, adults between the ages of 18 and 49 without dependents or disabilities can receive benefits for no more than three months within a three-year period, unless they are working or enrolled in a work program.

A leader of liberal Democrats said she needed to learn more about the deal, particularly about the proposed expansion of work requirements for food aid.

“This is saying to poor people and people in need that we don’t trust them,” said Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D., Wash.), chairwoman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, on CNN Sunday. “It is really unfortunate that the president opened the door to this.”

Jayapal said the White House shouldn’t count on her caucus’s support but didn’t immediately pledge to oppose the agreement.

If the bill passes the House, it could get bogged down in Senate delays. It can take a week or more to move legislation through the Senate unless senators unanimously agree to speed up the process.

It isn’t clear whether any senator will object to an accelerated process, but last week Sen. Mike Lee (R., Utah) warned that he would be ready to object to unanimous consent if the bill didn’t meet his expectations.

“I will use every procedural tool at my disposal to impede a debt-ceiling deal that doesn’t contain substantial spending and budgetary reforms,” he wrote on Twitter Thursday. “I fear things are moving in that direction. If they do, that proposal won’t face smooth sailing in the Senate.”


Link to agreement/House Resolution:

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Speyside2
3 years ago
The GOP is dying. They need to get real by focusing solely on the economy and safety. Trying to get Americans to buy into far right extremism is killing them.
RayR
3 years ago

How much have you have paid - How much have you benefitted = Your current loss.

Calculate real roughly and tell me a gross approximation of your current loss and a few of the factors you considered.

I am sincerely curious...

rfenst wrote:



I'm sorry, I don't discuss with a LEFTY. how much LEFTY has plundered and continues to plunder on so many levels from my family. Just the thought of it on federal, state, county, and town levels makes a sane person want to take up pitchforks and torches. That probably doesn't connect with you, Stockholm Syndrome is a common mental condition induced by believing in progressive government policies.

Besides, you'll probably try to convince me it's not real, that government is really my net sugar daddy and my benefactor.
I've heard it all before.



HockeyDad
3 years ago

The GOP is dying. They need to get real by focusing solely on the economy and safety. Trying to get Americans to buy into far right extremism is killing them.

Speyside2 wrote:



Far right extremism is not a threat. You’re chasing a ghost and acting there is still a struggle. Far left extremism has already won. The nation has made massive gains shifting left and that is not going to stop.
DrafterX
3 years ago

The GOP is dying. They need to get real by focusing solely on the economy and safety. Trying to get Americans to buy into far right extremism is killing them.

Speyside2 wrote:




Sounds like Russian disinformation to me... 😳
rfenst
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3 years ago

I'm sorry, I don't discuss with a LEFTY. how much LEFTY has plundered and continues to plunder on so many levels from my family. Just the thought of it on federal, state, county, and town levels makes a sane person want to take up pitchforks and torches. That probably doesn't connect with you, Stockholm Syndrome is a common mental condition induced by believing in progressive government policies.

Besides, you'll probably try to convince me it's not real, that government is really my net sugar daddy and my benefactor.
I've heard it all before.

RayR wrote:


What is your estimate of family plunder - benefit received = current loss to date?
What are the top 3-5 benefits you have received despite being plundered?
Brewha
3 years ago

Sounds like Russian disinformation to me... 😳

DrafterX wrote:


Is Le HockeyDad a Russian in French Clothing?? 🤔
RayR
3 years ago

Is Le HockeyDad a Russian in French Clothing?? 🤔

Brewha wrote:



Unlike Stockholm Syndrome victims like Robert and you, I think Le HockeyDad understands by real world observation the true nature of governments and the direction they take to their own demise while burning down everything around them.
LEFT WING EXTREMISTS (a.k.a. JACOBINS) are like a runaway train. They won't stop...they can't stop. The eventual destination is HELL.

Governments are nothing more than a gang of thieves' writ large and the more LEFT-WING EXTREMIST they become the thievery increases exponentially. Predictably LEFT-WING EXTREMISTS will blame every criminality and disaster they create on their favorite bogeyman, RIGHT-WINGERS who they will label EXTREMISTS.
RayR
3 years ago
So the HOUSE passed the Debt Ceiling Raw Deal Bill jokingly called the the Fiscal Responsibility Act. Yup.

As usual, no meaningful spending cuts (actually more spending), smoke, and mirrors, backroom deals, and empty promises.
Predictably, more Democrats voted for the bill than Republicans.
The Titanic remains safely on course to oblivion.

McCarthy Reportedly Gave Democrats Secret Concessions In Exchange For Debt Ceiling Votes

Update (2300ET): Hours after the House passed the debt ceiling bill, Axios reports that House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) gave Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY) secret concessions to boost spending on Democratic districts in the form of "community project funding" in exchange for their votes earlier this evening, according to two senior lawmakers.

More...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/debt-deal-inches-towards-senate-mcconnell-prepares-battle-conservative-holdouts 

rfenst
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3 years ago

No negotiations ever lead to settlement unless both parties have something at stake. Their commonality is an impending deadline- as it is in most negotiations. I was a Florida Supreme Court Certified Mediator and have participated in an uncountable number of mediations. You know when parties virtually always reach settlement? Lunch or dinner time when both sides are getting hungry and the mediation bill is running up. No difference here, thus far.

rfenst wrote:


Like I said- right before a deadline...
HockeyDad
3 years ago

Government passes a law to create a debt ceiling. Government then passes laws that borrow more money and will be blocked by the debt ceiling law which they fully knew at the time. Government then declares a crisis. Government them comes together and passes a law to raise the debt ceiling. Government is hailed as heroes for solving the crisis and receives a ticker tape parade.

Secured by the full faith and credit of the United States.

HockeyDad wrote:




I demand parades and a new holiday. Debt Ceiling Disaster Avoidance Day
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