rfenst
2 years ago

I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.

Speyside2 wrote:




Oh sure smauty pants, you go to read his words again. He's fine with states seceding from the union, but he sees them as insurrectionists, rebels, and such, probably even subhuman for not wanting to live under the boot of his dictatorship.

RayR wrote:



He did not use ANY of the words or ideas you attribute to him. Not 'insurrectionists". Not "rebels". And, not "subhuman".

You totally misrepresented what he wrote and attributed beliefs and ideas to him that you chose, not him. to as opposed to those he actually writes. Also, read his comment again in light of the thread title (Civil War! Really???), genius.

Bet he'd be fine with any state that wants to leave peacefully as well. Just think, you could move to one of those states and no longer be subject to the federal government.

Feel free to leave anytime you want.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
“Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries.”


Sounds like the Gaza Strip or the West Bank.
RobertHively
2 years ago



Bet he'd be fine with any state that wants to leave peacefully as well. Just think, you could move to one of those states and no longer be subject to the federal government.

Feel free to leave anytime you want.

rfenst wrote:



Which state is that?? State of mind? If so, I'm already gone.

It's interesting you mentioned that though, bc that's exactly what the Treaty of Paris (1783) said. Each of the 13 colonies were sovereigns in a loose confederation with one another. Any one of them could leave at at any time, for any reason.

South Carolina tried to do just that in 1860 and we see how that turned out (like the title of this thread)


RayR
2 years ago

I would be fine letting any state secede from the union. Anything built or bought with federal tax dollars needs to be taken back or destroyed. Then new borders will exist, and those states will be foreign countries or a foreign country and be treated as such. I suppose small travel corridors should be provided to the landlocked countries to reach somewhere other than the United States. These would be for non-commercial vehicles, no planes or trains or semis and such. Since they are crossing into our country vehicles would need to be searched. Because of the civil unrest these states and their citizens have caused they should be designated terrorist countries. Along with this we will not buy goods or products from those countries, and we will not sell our goods and products to them. This would need to be fleshed out by our government with people far smarter than I. Citizens of these countries would no longer be citizens of the United States.

Speyside2 wrote:



Do we need to highlight the words for you rfenst?

It sure doesn't sound like he believes in peaceful secession to me. He's quite belligerent as a matter of fact and has a chip on his shoulder about those Johnny Rebs leaving the Union.

HD says Spey's view of his United States "Sounds like the Gaza Strip or the West Bank."
I was thinking more like his hostile United States sounds like East Germany. He'll probably have to build a wall next to keep his citizens of the United States from defecting.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

The New England states decide this was all a mistake. They rejoin the United Kingdom. Their taxes are immediately increased without representation.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and metro Chicago join Canada. Guns are banned and their taxes are immediately increased. Gun violence in Chicago increases and Canada apologizes.

Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada form their own country and bring back Covid mask mandates and mandatory gender transition surgery. China invades and occupies the entire territory in three days. The new Chinese provincial governor announces there will be some changes coming. The population is thrilled because we will finally get to see socialism and communism done right.
RayR
2 years ago

Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

The New England states decide this was all a mistake. They rejoin the United Kingdom. Their taxes are immediately increased without representation.

Minnesota, Wisconsin, and metro Chicago join Canada. Guns are banned and their taxes are immediately increased. Gun violence in Chicago increases and Canada apologizes.

Hawaii, California, Oregon, Washington, and Nevada form their own country and bring back Covid mask mandates and mandatory gender transition surgery. China invades and occupies the entire territory in three days. The new Chinese provincial governor announces there will be some changes coming. The population is thrilled because we will finally get to see socialism and communism done right.

HockeyDad wrote:



Interesting. :-k

But the central fascist power in DC won't be happy that they are losing a substantial amount of stolen loot with all these states leaving the Union. They will also be unhappy that they are losing direct access to all those natural resources and the Pacific Ocean.
The final solution will be to launch a massive invasion to "SAVE THE UNION!", the war battle cry wil be EVERYTHING WITHIN THE UNION, NOTHING AGAINST THE UNION, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE UNION!

rfenst
2 years ago

Perhaps it is more likely that the disjointed blue states leave.

HockeyDad wrote:


I'd be fine with that too. By the way, which blue states are disjointed?
Brewha
2 years ago
So - I saw on TV, during a sports game, someone displaying a flag that read:

TRUMP 2024 OR DEATH

And they sell them online.




He's my question; why would the MAGA Right promise to kill themselves?
HockeyDad
2 years ago

I'd be fine with that too. By the way, which blue states are disjointed?

rfenst wrote:



I kinda laid it out in post 45.
RayR
2 years ago

So - I saw on TV, during a sports game, someone displaying a flag that read:

TRUMP 2024 OR DEATH

And they sell them online.




He's my question; why would the MAGA Right promise to kill themselves?

Brewha wrote:



You are lying again Brew. Why do you always have to lie? 🤨
HockeyDad
2 years ago
“During a sports game”. Yes, that’s how people talk!

Maybe watching unique feats of strength while having a spot of tea.

Brewha needs a spicy Chick-Fil-A sandwich and quick!

DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

“During a sports game”. Yes, that’s how people talk!

Maybe watching unique feats of strength while having a spot of tea.

Brewha needs a spicy Chick-Fil-A sandwich and quick!

HockeyDad wrote:



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rfenst
2 years ago
Read yesterday that like 20% of Americans believe that current political differences could lead to use of weapons/revolt.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

Read yesterday that like 20% of Americans believe that current political differences could lead to use of weapons/revolt.

rfenst wrote:



Got a link for that??? [frypan] [frypan] [frypan]


🐴


rfenst
2 years ago

Got a link for that??? [frypan] [frypan] [frypan]
🐴

DrMaddVibe wrote:


Likely WSJ.
RayR
2 years ago

Read yesterday that like 20% of Americans believe that current political differences could lead to use of weapons/revolt.

rfenst wrote:



Yes, I've heard that too, that they believe in the socialist dictum of forced fraternity, that the Union is indivisible and any deviants that want to throw off the government because of repeated injuries and usurpations and erect a new one on the consent of the governed must be put down with bullets and blood.
HockeyDad
2 years ago
14.5% of the workforce works for the government.
DrMaddVibe
2 years ago

14.5% of the workforce works for the government.

HockeyDad wrote:



But they're on vacation 98.2% of the time.
Brewha
2 years ago

But they're on vacation 98.2% of the time.

DrMaddVibe wrote:



Maybe you should post a link....
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