well, i DO get wound up...and like country said, these new guys are doing bad things, AND as i am a new guy, i do not want to be associated with "the FNGs of fall '05". so i get a bit upset, shall we say, just like the older guys, as these new guys expecting. perhaps i got indignant, but we are all just trying to make that "stellar rep" that all the old guys are talking about.